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Pioneer Launch DVJ-X1
Pioneer Launch DVJ-X1
Posted by Gizmo on November 13, 2003 :


Click on any of the images above for a higher res view.

Pioneer have finally issued a press release regarding the much rumoured and often seen DVJ-X1.

Looks like it has audio as well as video facilities. But no mention of file formats it will play. Pioneer's no MP3 stance is well known - does this mean no support for AVI, MPEG, DIVX or many of the other industry standard file formats? Please clarify Pioneer. And the price isn't listed either.

UPDATE - Earlier I found a demo movie on the Pioneer forum but due to licensing issues, this has been removed.

Now do I publish the whole release or just a link... oh what the hell... and you can add your comments at the bottom of the article as well. Please add your thoughts as I know Pioneer read them and at least you can have your say...

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Contact:
Karl Detken, 310-952-2108 or Karl.Detken@pioneer-usa.com
Aaron Levine, 310-952-2401 or Aaron.Levine@pioneer-usa.com

PIONEER LAUNCHES REVOLUTIONARY DVJ-X1
BRINGING VIDEO ENTERTAINMENT TO THE DJ EXPERIENCE


LONG BEACH (November 13, 2003) – Pioneer Electronics (USA) Inc. today announced the future of DJ technology with its new DVJ-X1 digital audio and video turntable. This groundbreaking product allows users to manipulate and playback synchronized digital audio and video in a way that will revolutionize the DJ industry.

By imitating the form and functionality of Pioneer’s digital CD turntables like the CDJ-1000MK2, Pioneer is making it simple for digital DJs to adapt to the new product. DVJs will be able to use Pioneer’s new unit to manipulate DVD visuals in exactly the same way as they would music. So real-time digital video scratches, loops and instant cues are all possible with the DVJ-X1, while the video and audio streams always stay in perfect sync, even when they’re being reversed and pitched.

“Pioneer proved that we have our finger on the pulse of today’s club scene when we forged the path from vinyl to CD in the world of dance music,” said Karl Detken, director of marketing for the Pro Audio group at Pioneer Electronics (USA) Inc. “Now we’re using Pioneer’s experience in DVD technology to offer the next revolution for DJs. We believe this product will spawn a new breed of entertainer – the DVJ – combining the skills of a DJ and VJ for the ultimate dance experience. As a result, clubs that are already investing in video technology will be able to draw even more customers for a totally unique AV experience.”

The DVJ-X1 brings together existing AV technologies into a single unit that interfaces with currently available software and hardware to introduce a completely new form of entertainment. This unique unit satisfies the needs of digital DJs to please their dance-floor audiences with today’s newest technology. It also helps future-proof club venues with an unprecedented standard for crowd-pleasing performance.

The remarkable DVJ-X1 also establishes a platform for dance music labels keen to market their releases, in an arena where there are few opportunities to showcase promotional videos.

“We have big plans for the future of the Pro DJ market with an idea to add yet another dimension to this mind-blowing concept. In a near-future scenario, two DVJ-X1s are linked together via a fully integrated audio and visual mixer. This set-up would allow the digital audio and video from the two separate sources to be mixed and scratched on the fly – in the same way that DJs create audio mixes in their live sets today,” said Detken.

The DVJ-X1 offers on-board memory capacity as well as a SD Card slot similar to the CDJ-1000MK2 for even greater flexibility in performance. This allows for AV loops and cue points to be stored, either on-board or on a removable memory card. A memory card that is bundled with the DVJ-X1 can store up to 500 loop or cue points. During playback, the saved cue and loop points can be searched, selected and previewed using an external preview monitor. An emergency loop feature makes the DVJ-X1 even more user-friendly with a one-touch solution that automatically loops four beats seamlessly, in line with the beats-per-minute to allow a DVJ extra time to mix from one track to another.

The DVJ-X1 is only 25 percent larger than the CDJ-1000MK2, making is fairly simple to replace the CD unit with the revolutionary new DVD replacement in the DJ booth. Pioneer will offer a video switcher to interface with the Fader Start function of many professional audio mixers. Inputs on the DVJ-X1 include:

Video Output Composite Video Output RCA (1), BNC (1)
Component Video Output BNC (1)

Preview Video Output Composite Video Output RCA (1)
S-video Output 4 pin mini DIN (1)

Audio Output Audio output (2ch) RCA (1)
Digital audio output (coaxial) RCA (1)

For inquiries about product development or creating content for the DVJ-X1, and to register your interest in regular updates before the official launch in Spring 2004, please e-mail Pioneer or visit www.PioneerProDJ.com

Pioneer offers a complete line of Pro DJ Equipment through its Pro Audio Group. Pioneer offers a limited one-year warranty for Pro Audio products purchased from authorized dealers. For more information: www.PioneerProDj.com.

Pioneer Corporation is a leader in optical disc technology and a preeminent manufacturer of high-performance audio, video, computer and cable equipment for the home, car and business markets. The company focuses on four core business domains including DVD, display technologies, Digital Network Entertainment and components. Founded in 1938 in Tokyo, Pioneer Corporation employs more than 34,000 people worldwide. Its shares are traded on the New York Stock Exchange. Pioneer's U.S. headquarters is located in Long Beach, Calif., and its U.S. Web address is www.pioneerelectronics.com.

DVJ-X1 Specifications

Disc format DVD Video, DVD-R (Video Mode)
DVD-RW (Video Mode)
CD, CD-R, CD-RW

Power requirements AC120V, 60Hz

Power consumption 47W

Weight 16.1 lb

Dimensions 348(W)*451(D)*128(H)mm

Frequency response (CD) 4Hz to 20kHz
4Hz to 44kHz
(DVD, 96kHz )

Signal to noise ratio 115dB or more (JEITA)

Distortion 0.006% (JEITA)

Control terminal 1/8 inch phone jack


NOTE: No further comments are being accepted.
37 comments to this story

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On November 13, 2003, Deft said this:
Presumably as it uses DVD-Video discs, then it will primarily handle MPEG-2 (though MPEG-1 is acceptable under the standard).
I think it turns into a bit of a codec nightmare trying to use DivX XviD etc. etc.

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On November 13, 2003, Gizmo said this:
quote:
"I think it turns into a bit of a codec nightmare trying to use DivX XviD etc. etc."


Could well be. But with every man and his dog having the codecs on their computers and players like the Yamada (£90) offering this functionality, surely it's only a matter of time before... ooooh say Denon bring out a deck that does it all (and I know you Denon guys will no doubt be asking Silvio when rather than if :blink: )

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On November 13, 2003, Deekoy said this:
How far things have come since fucking around in my bedroom with an Amiga and a couple of belt drive decks and a hifi pause button!! jeeezuz sick.gif smile1.gif push.gif

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On November 13, 2003, Gizmo said this:
Here's a thought....

Scratch Porn!

I can't pick one emoticon to sum that thought up so... ^_^ smile1.gif unsure.gif wacko.gif rolleyes.gif push.gif sick.gif oh.gif weird.gif suspicious.gif :embarrest huh.gif :blink: :cry: :P amazed.gif :D mad.gif smile.gif 8)

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On November 13, 2003, oh boy said this:
That ish was sick. smile1.gif Wonder how much it will be? I guess its time to start charging more for gigs with the added videos.

There are actually people that like the Denons? wacko.gif I tried them and they felt like old belt drive Gemini's, very little torque. I guess if you can't innovate, you try to duplicate.

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On November 13, 2003, Monk-A said this:
Hhhhmmm!!! so exactly where are you meant to get the media
to use in these decks?

You can't play a club set with your Godfather Box set can you?

I mean really think about it, what will you do musically with these that you can't do already.

Although it's a pretty clever idea it just feels like a bit of a novelty item to me. :(

pz

Monk-A

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On November 13, 2003, Kap`n KuTT said this:
0_o thats nasty --> get 2 of those thingys then u will be able to juggle with porn smile.gif

wow mebbe one day we´ll see vjs juggeling makeing body tricks and other sick stuff

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On November 13, 2003, Kap´n KuTT said this:
Dear santa clause i have been a good boy this year; thats my wishlist: ^_^
2 x pioneer DVJ-X1
2 x QFO limited edition
1 x Pmc07 pro ISP
-another one just to be sure
-mebbe a third one
-a safe for the the first 2

some nasty Dvds with Britney Spears and Laticia Casta doing nasty stuff to juggle with the brandnew DVJ-X1

something like an ultimate Dirtstyle collection

more of that dvds

(oki if you tell me now to stop posting my thoughts on scratchworx i can clearly understand it ;D)

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On November 13, 2003, MrKD said this:
Things like this make the SL-DZ1200 seem pointless if you really think about it... As Gizmo knows I have been bangin on about CDJ`s for so long and although I opted out buying a pair and stayed with the vinyl I still think the idea of CDJ`s been used in turntablism makes so much sence ... The point that K`nK pointed out about juggling porn would be an interesting idea ... but I can not see the point of the video facilities for Scratch or club DJ`s .. But who knows what the future will bring... 7 years ago I asked what is the point of MP3? ... So that just goes to prove.. what do I know !!!

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On November 13, 2003, Gizmo said this:
Won't people stop dancing and watch the big screen instead? Doesn't that defeat the object of the DJ? Have I just killed the whole argument for turntablism dead right there? huh.gif

idea.gif I can see a whole genre of people taking snippets of movies - well known classic sections and live mixing whole new mini movies together in a video collage way. think Matrix Revolutions MTV skit. Or maybe cutting up a movie over a beat. Nothing new but done live, it could be very cool indeed. Imagine dropping some classic Arnie lines over some classic breaks... I think if people think outside the music scene for these new decks as well, we might just see something special. The more I think about them , the more I like them. It's so new you have to open your mind a little and really think about the possibilities.

I for one would love to slice up Agent Smith, Neo and Trinty over "Smack my Bitch up". smile1.gif

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On November 13, 2003, Kap`n KuTT said this:
i have just seen the video it looks really impressive;
but is there something like a video mixer with a crossfader ?
mebbe a stupid though but how it look if make stabs with a punch from a boxing video;
or to chirp with a dancing girl;
or u take matrix and.... okok

back to my question: is there a mixer u can use with that thingy ?

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On November 13, 2003, Gizmo said this:
I just dropped Karl at Pioneer a line. Hopefully he'll drop by and answer a few questions for us. :D

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On November 13, 2003, Monk-A said this:
Yeah Gizmo i see what you ar esaying, but being honest you're not really mentioning anything that isn't already being done with CDJ's, apart from the Visual manipulation, so what happens when you are using vinyl do you go to a pioneer splash screen? or just play a movie?

I'd like to keep an open mind, because if you've ever seen Hexstatic using
that Coldcut Video DJ program live you'll know some mad things can be done,
with visual samples.

I think i'll reserve judgment till i've seen these puppies in action! unsure.gif

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On November 13, 2003, John DiSalvo said this:
Monk-A -

Professional DJs and Night Clubs can subscribe to Promo Only for all the new DVD Videos you can shake a stick at:
http://www.promoonly.com/

Monthly formats include Hot Video, Club Video, Dance Mix Video, Pop Mix Video, Country Video, Urban Video, and Latin Video. Other DVDs offered: Hot Video Classics 80's, Hot Video Classics 90's, All TIme Party Classics, Christmas Video, Urban Mix Best of 2002, and Ambient Video.

Since Jan '01 we've been creating and releasing 12" mixes for video on our Club Video format. This series is a must have for the Pioneer DVJ-X1.

8)
John DiSalvo
Promo Only

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On November 13, 2003, MrKD said this:
What has happend to Hip Hop wacko.gif

Hot Video, Club Video, Dance Mix Video, Pop Mix Video, Country Video, Urban Video, and Latin Video. Other DVDs offered: Hot Video Classics 80's, Hot Video Classics 90's, All TIme Party Classics, Christmas Video, Urban Mix Best of 2002, and Ambient Video.

I keep hearing people say "Hip Hop is the biggest selling music world wide" idea.gif

So which guru made it now called "Urban" .... mad.gif mad.gif mad.gif

And to get the listing above on a monthly would cost over £700 ... sick.gif

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On November 13, 2003, Jim Robinson said this:
MrKD

Hip Hop is everywhere.

"Urban" is a common term used here in the US describing a chart or radio station format that contains Hip-Hop and R&B. It is used mostly in the radio and DJ world and it's been that way for a long time.

Also, in the US, each monthly format is $300 a YEAR. :D That is $25 per disc (about £17) . The VPL and PPL fees are why the price is so high in the UK. Blame them not us. The price is ALL licensing fees. In the US, they recognize that DJ's (especially the ones that play video) help sell records... go figure.

Hip Hip is contained on both Hot Video, Pop Mix, Dance Mix, and Urban Video. We started a "Urban Video" about 5 months ago becasue there was enough to fill a 3 hour DVD each month. smile.gif

We have been working with Pioneer closely for the past couple of years to make sure that plenty of content would be available for the new player when it came out ... especially Hip Hop. :blink:

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On November 14, 2003, DJ Double A said this:
You guys make me laugh. :D
I guess all of you guys have money to burn. Did any of you stop to wonder WHY they haven't released a price for these decks yet?

Even Karl (I think that's what his name was), if I remember correctly said......"save your money, because these decks are going to be real expensive".

If the price of the CDJ in Canada is any hint (around 2 G's for one MK2), then these decks will be about the same price, as a 5% down payment on a new home. weird.gif wacko.gif

Thanks, but no thanks.

Pioneer STILL hasn't learned. (it still has a "dead" platter, and alot of thier stuff is overpriced imo)

Maybe one day they will get it right. Remember, to take FULL advantage of this new toy, you need an audio/video mixer (which they don't even have yet, and will probablty be really expensive when it finaly does come out....and when that will be is anyone's guess rolleyes.gif ), and also a video screen to be able to cue the video up. (maybe even 2 screens)


As for the guy that complained about the Denon's......

Take a look at this video.

http://www.musicv2.com/mp3_request.m3u?m=download&id=1788&url=/bank/songs/337_djshy.wmv

It was thrown together one night by a friend, to show non-believers what this so called "whimpy torqueless wonder" could do.

People that complain about torque IMO, are not real DJ's.....but what do I know...I've only been at since 1985. rolleyes.gif

Have you even tried the Denon deck(s)? I have, and I don't find anything wrong with the torque.....maybe you have caveman hands. :blink:

BTW, if you did try it, did it have the latest free upgrades installed? (it would take 1 munute to do the upgrade)

What's that you say? Free? One minute?

Oh, that's right....you guys have to ship the Pioneers back and wait 4-6 weeks for Pioneer to do it for you.

What a shame........now do you see what I mean by "Pioneer STILL hasn't learned"?

I guess this post will just get deleted just like all the others on the Pioneer board. What a shame that would be too. oh.gif

(oh, just in case someone is wondeing......I have used the Pioneer's for the past 1 1/2 years, and never really liked them from the begining)

peace everyone, and happy "spinning". 8)

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On November 14, 2003, DJ Double A said this:
Ok boys and girls......are you ready to hear what I just read?

Aprox $3,700 each, USD



:P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P


Looks like I was wrong about the "5% down paynment on a house" statement......looks more like 10% now. hahahahahahahahahahaha


Yep, Pioneer will never learn. rolleyes.gif

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On November 14, 2003, Gizmo said this:
quote:
" guess this post will just get deleted just like all the others on the Pioneer board. What a shame that would be too. "


Double A - I have a rule of not deleting anything as long as it remains relevant and constructive to the discussion and doesn't land skratchworx in a whole heap of lawsuits - thus your post won't be deleted.

But please don't see a news story about Pioneer as an anti-Denon diatribe (We love Denon gear at skratchworx so that clearly isn't true). We report the news - with a tad of opinion thrown in for good measure. I'm very pro any company that brings out ground breaking gear - that is after all the whole point of this site. And this deck is indeed groundbreaking regardless of rumoured prices.

Keep posting Double A - you make for a lively debate! :D

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On November 14, 2003, Deft said this:
Considering Denon have no comparable product for handling video i see no reason for this thread to turn into a Denon vs. Pioneer hijacking.

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On November 14, 2003, Gizmo said this:
quote:
"Considering Denon have no comparable product for handling video i see no reason for this thread to turn into a Denon vs. Pioneer hijacking."


A good point well made. rolleyes.gif

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On November 14, 2003, stab master arson said this:
i say... hey if you got 9675362597623095 dollars to spend on a CDJ 1000 + built in dvd player ( you never know when you wanna bust a flare replay) then go for it. innovative yes.... but... how many will they REALLY sell?

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On November 14, 2003, MrKD said this:
quote:
""Urban" is a common term used here in the US describing a chart or radio station format that contains Hip-Hop and R&B. It is used mostly in the radio and DJ world and it's been that way for a long time."


And calling Hip Hop "Urban" is not right mad.gif ... Next it will be called Diddy-tunes .. and that would be a shame on the whole hip hop scene world wide. mad.gif

Dammm Giz See what you gone done now .. hahaha ... I had 2 try so hard not 2 let the xxx words creep in ... :cry:

If that is where CDJ`s are taking the hip hop.. I might just have 2 change my mind of the idea of them been good for the whole package ... sick.gif

Wax Anorax 4 life ...
http://www.thawaxanorax.co.uk

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On November 14, 2003, MrKD said this:
DJ Double A... now that dude is saying it like it is in my op ...

Why do the companys not let one product do it`s business before bring out the V2.. ??? O Yer cos if they told the truth and put there hands up and said "yer we put the units out 2 fast and should have worked on a full deal unit .. But if we did that we would not make the £ we did out of people buying in to the image of what the V1 unit is about"...

Vestax CDJ & Stanton CDJ ... ??? Not available .??? Why ??? or are both companys watch Denon & Poineer make the mistakes before bring something to the market ... ???

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On November 15, 2003, Gizmo said this:
I don't know about a Stanton CDJ (perhaps BX can clarify) but I know Vestax thought they would be mad to bring such a box when Technics - with all their years of consumer electronics CD experience - decided to bring out a CD turntable.

As far as this Pioneer deck goes - it was inevitable really. Pioneer make quality consumer DVD decks and it was a matter of time before one of these would appear. It just happens that Pioneer have bitten the bullet and done it first. I'm sure in 12-18 months, we'll see other similar offerings appearing. Now we'll see a real VJ revolution in the clubs and I also honestly feel that when the price of this technology comes down to consumer levels (and it will) that we'll see a whole new bedroom VJ scene kicking off, As far as computers goes, video is the new audio, It's what all the trendy young - and not so young - kids are doing. :blink:

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On November 17, 2003, Professorbx said this:
Stanton played around with launcing one a while ago, but the idea was shelved as the tech at the time (think Pro-Scratch 1) was not really that great. Also, keep in mind that this was about the point that N2IT and Stanton were hooking up for Final Scratch. As for now though I have no clue. I do know though that a lot of companies are putting off scratchable cd decks till the new generation hits as they are waiting to see the reactions after the smoke clears. The only real exceptions are the smaller compnaies in Europe (Reloop, Omnitronic, etc) who are putting out what are essentially versions of the American DJ Pro Scratch 2/Velocity and Gemini CD-1800X in their markets.

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On November 17, 2003, Monk-A said this:
I'm not agains't progression but I think a lot of the companies are overlooking the money factor at the moment.

DJ'ing in all it's forms became popular because it was affordable to all people, everyone had a record player and some vinyl.

As time goes on it's becoming more obvious to me that it will become a pastime of the well off. :(

why don't companies spend their time and money on developing good quality entry level equipment to encourage the next generation of DJ rather than new more expensive gimmicks that only a few elite people will be able to use.

Hate it or love it, at least Vestax with the QFO have he possibility of giving kids the basics in one package, a scratch quality deck and mixer built into one, hopefully for an affordable price in comparison to two decks and a high end mixer.

my thought's on this DVD player are kinda like a tool for DJ's who can't entertain the crowd with their musical ability.

anythought?

pz

Monk-A

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On November 17, 2003, Kap`n KuTT said this:
you cant say that;
its just a other new form of art

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On November 18, 2003, Monk-A said this:
quote:
"you cant say that;"


LOL!!! I can and i did! :D :D

peace

Monk-A

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On November 18, 2003, Gizmo said this:
quote:
"I'm not agains't progression but I think a lot of the companies are overlooking the money factor at the moment.

DJ'ing in all it's forms became popular because it was affordable to all people, everyone had a record player and some vinyl."


Doesn't everyone have a DVD player these days?

quote:
"As time goes on it's becoming more obvious to me that it will become a pastime of the well off. :("


I'm sure people thought they've never have a DVD at home either. But now Argos are selling them for £40. If the demand is there then the price will drop. VJing right now is firmly in the realm of clubs with money. Technology such as this begins to open up the market a little more and hopefully within the pockets of Joe Punter.

quote:
"why don't companies spend their time and money on developing good quality entry level equipment to encourage the next generation of DJ rather than new more expensive gimmicks that only a few elite people will be able to use."


We both know G that if a newbie goes onto a forum and asks what gear they should buy, the resounding response is "save for Technics and an HAK360". There never any alternatives offered so where's the incentive for suppliers to develop entry level gear? It's fair to say that right now, Technics have the deck market sewn up so companies have to look at new markets. In this emerging digital age, Pioneer have (twice now) stuck their necks out and done something new and in the case of the DVJ - created a new market. Sure the costs are high right now but once people get their heads round what can be done, it'll explode, demand will rise and costs will drop.

The key to this is that it's not turntablism. It's not about the fader techniques or body tricks - this is simply about creating quality sound and vision. People should be watching the screen - not the DJ.

quote:
"Hate it or love it, at least Vestax with the QFO have he possibility of giving kids the basics in one package, a scratch quality deck and mixer built into one, hopefully for an affordable price in comparison to two decks and a high end mixer."


Agreed. At least someone has the balls to do something different. And that's why we feature it so much on skratchworx.

quote:
"my thought's on this DVD player are kinda like a tool for DJ's who can't entertain the crowd with their musical ability."


Taking that argument to it's logical progression, that's like saying a film director is an author who can't entertain with words alone. Conversely it could be argued that a VJ is a DJ with an extra skillset. amazed.gif

quote:
"anythought?"


You got mine. Plenty for you to go at. You know you want to respond G - you love it really. :blink:

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On November 18, 2003, Monk-A said this:
quote:
"You got mine. Plenty for you to go at. You know you want to respond G - you love it really. "


*Rubs hands together and grins menacingly*

heh!heh!heh!

quote:
"Doesn't everyone have a DVD player these days?"


well no they don't, but i think you missed my point, if you want to use DVD's in a VJ manner you need specialist equipment. how many people start out just doing babies on their ma & pa's set up. You try putting yer hand in an off shelf dvd player yer more likely to die from electric shock before you get a wiccki wiccki out of the damn thing!

Accesability! These are not accesable to the kid sat at home, thinking to himself "what the hell is that?" when the perverts appear on GMTV!

quote:
"I'm sure people thought they've never have a DVD at home either. But now Argos are selling them for £40. If the demand is there then the price will drop. VJing right now is firmly in the realm of clubs with money. Technology such as this begins to open up the market a little more and hopefully within the pockets of Joe Punter"


You would think so wouldn't you, wasn't that the general idea with CD DJ'ing but that hasn't opened up in what? 4-5 years. I can't afford one, i don't know anyone else, other than big name DJ's, who can truly justify that amount of money on them unless they are doing production work with them.

quote:
"We both know G that if a newbie goes onto a forum and asks what gear they should buy, the resounding response is "save for Technics and an HAK360". There never any alternatives offered so where's the incentive for suppliers to develop entry level gear? "


And why is that? Because people feel there is no viable alternative to a technic or a PDX, so people tell them to not waste their time on cheap gear that will hold you back.

Next time some one asks what decks and someone tells em to get techs then tell em to go and look at J-Bounce in 2002 & 2003, he was in the world final and he was using Belt Drive decks.

quote:
"
It's fair to say that right now, Technics have the deck market sewn up so companies have to look at new markets."


Technics have got it sewn up because again ther is no viable entry level deck to compete with the basics elements of a Tech or PDX.

quote:
"
In this emerging digital age, Pioneer have (twice now) stuck their necks out and done something new and in the case of the DVJ - created a new market. Sure the costs are high right now but once people get their heads round what can be done, it'll explode, demand will rise and costs will drop."


Hasn't happened with the CDJ, they are out of most peoples price range.

quote:
"
The key to this is that it's not turntablism. It's not about the fader techniques or body tricks - this is simply about creating quality sound and vision. People should be watching the screen - not the DJ."


smile.gif and i'm not talking from a tablist point of view, clubs are first and foremost about music, if the Dj is right and the music is good then you don't even need visuals!

The video editing/manipulating capabilities of this DVDCDJ have been about for a while, they just been packaged up as a handy realtime hands on tool.

Useful for video editing production, but possibly negative for the musical DJ minded amongst us i think.

I mean rememberthe whole argument about peole making the videos before their music, or videos being more important than the actual song, are we going to head down that route with DJ's and club's now.

I'm not going there because they don't have good enough visuals?

it's clever idea, but I personally don't see it being useful for anyone one other than in house Video Jockeys.

Man I hope i'm proved wrong, I'd love to see something come along and trun everything on it's arse, i just don't see that happening here mate!

pz

Monk-A

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On November 20, 2003, DJ_Double_A said this:
quote:
"People should be watching the screen - not the DJ."



Actualy, when I go to a club, I wanna look at all the women. If there's a video screen on, people start to become zombies, plain and simple. I would rather see a cool light show; so when I start to get a buzz, I'll be like "whoa!"



And Gizmo, thanks 8)


Common guys, think about it. What's the base price of an MK2 again? What's the price of this new toy?

The way I see it, there is NO justification for the difference in price. I can go out and buy a half decent DVD player for $100-$150 Canadian.(they are as low as $50 here.......or the price of a tank of gas in Europe) :P

What makes Pioneer think that a regular guy, would dish out that kinda cash for an over glorified DVD player? huh.gif

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On December 3, 2003, x2k said this:
One thing that gets me it that the audio output is 2ch (stereo) when DVDs can support 5.1 so why didn't they provide a 5.1 output (unless the digital output provides it) they you could really fuck with peoples heads in 5.1 enabled clubs (actually I'd imaging quadrophonic would probably be enough).

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On December 13, 2003, Momo the Monster said this:
This is NOT an overglorified DVD player, it's a Tool.

It's funny - this player has caused so much ruckus - the DJs complain that they don't need the VJ features, and the VJs complain that they don't need the VJ features.

As a VJ myself, this thing is awesome. I played with it at DV Expo West and it is positively wicked.

The Price? Yes it's expensive - it's also the first of its kind. What do you expect? Also, Pioneer's 'Rugged Industrial' DVD player is $1200 - add in all the features of a CDJ1000 and the price looks almost reasonable.

My two cents: This thing WILL NOT turn VJs into DJs or vice versa. If you want to do a Quality show, you need to focus on your own stuff.

As for the content: Yeah Pioneer teamed up with cheesy Promo-Only. That was probably the only choice at the time. Right now VJs make their footage or find it - you don't really buy much (except for the odd sesame street vhs :P ) If machines like these take off, then there will be a market for Video Content Creators to feed to - you could go pick up the newest Suryummy or SquareSquare DVD at Amoeba Records. Also, remember the VJ-created footage. This device lets me make that dog I taped run on the beat or that floating head I rendered out bob to the breakdown - pitch shifting and seamless looping w/out crashy software are a godsend for this VJ.

It's a chicken-or-the-egg problem with Content VS Devices.

I'm sorry to hear that some of you have had bad experiences with Visuals at shows - it's a young field, and people are experimenting. Club owners aren't always happy with you hanging screens where you want to. Imagine playing a night where someone told you your speaker stacks had to face away from the audience.

Anyway - I think this device will be best suited to established VJs and/or VJs that get booked for big shows and can afford to rent them out. DJs looking for higher quality and/or longer-playing audio are looking at the wrong device.

Momo

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On January 5, 2004, DJ Double A said this:
Rent them out hun?


Ok.....say companies do......what happens if they break down? How many back ups do you think a rental company will have? How much would it cost to fix, and how long would it take to get it fixed if they do break down? Pioneer is notoriously slow when it comes to repairs and customer service............

and I'm sure they will have a dedicated repair team, that is well versed in the repair of this complicated peice of machinery right? rolleyes.gif


It wouldn't make sence to rent them out. It wouldn't be cost effective. Think about that.


And imo, they ARE over priced/glorified DVD players.

My 2C's.

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On January 5, 2004, DJ Double A said this:
BTW, almost forgot........that 5.1 comment makes sense.



Also, will THIS one have MP3 capability? :blink:

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On March 10, 2004, Momo the Monster said this:
A/V Shops often rent expensive, hard-to-fix equipment like DVCams and Projectors. True, there is more demand for them, but if Pioneer gets the word out, and sees that there is a shop or two renting them out, they could become in-demand gear.

um - and you reiterate that they ARE overglorified DVD players without presenting any new ideas. In that case, why would anyone buy a Technics 1200? I can get a turntable for $50. The Technics are 10x as much! Why would you buy a CDJ for $500-$1000? I can get one for $30 that comes with a nifty Barbie logo on it.

Yes, they are souped-up DVD players. But just like any DJ tool, they have been modified to be a performance tool. Priced too high? I certainly couldn't afford one - but that doesn't make it bunk.

Re: 5.1 - do you know any producers that currently release tracks in 5.1? Umm - Bjork did an album mixed in 5.1, that's the only one off the top of my head. True - it would be awesome, but you'd have to convince a lot of people to create the content first.

Re: MP3 - I don't believe it will. This product focuses on Video, not Audio.

Peace.







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