I am hoping this fader comes soon! I have a QFO with a stiff and heavy Pro X in it now waiting to be cut on again. Any plans on distribution to Guitar Center or TurntableLab? Thanks for the Beta test reports guys. It seems promising.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ihvIHUpbmc
To add to what these guys said:
Phillip Le hooked up the Innofader to an old PMC-06 at the very start of the beta testing. It turns out the old PMCs have power and ground reversed from the new PMCs and Phillip smoked the Innofader. Frankly rather than chew him out, I was actually thankful he found the problem. Now on the production Innofader, the Innofader has a reverse protection circuit so you won't damage the Innofader just in case you get a bit overeager and hook it up before testing.
Phillip also quickly came back with pictures of various Vestax line faders to give us an idea of how do identify mixers which can fit the Innofader.
Justin Woo who many of you know as "Punky" has also given many helpful pointers (which is why I hired him
).
Justin advised us to use keep it simple and use just the original Innofader logo for the sticker. We kept hearing this feedback from DJs so we went this way and we'll reserve Gizmo's cool "Feel My Innofader" design for t-shirts and other fun stuff.
Justin pointed out sound quality issues such as multiple clicks and a swimming cut-in point. The first I heard of this was from DJ Troubl at Messe. I felt I had to do something to give the Innofader a really tight consistent cut-in and the result was the 2nd round of samples which Justin and Phillip received.
Justin first tested the DXM-06 and figured out quickly that stacking the washers was a real pain in the butt. After spending an hour fiddling with balancing washers to fit the Innofader on a Xone:92, I realised this balancing crap had to go. I came back to the Xone:92 later using washers fitted with double stick tape. Manufacturing saw my messy prototype and came to the rescue with washers that you can peel and stick.
So definitely a big thanks to these 2 guys who really came through strong with consistent and constructive feedback!
Cyberia: Turntable Lab should definitely have the Innofader when it comes out. We're still working on Guitar Center.
Glad I could help out!!!!
looks like this wont be fitting in my VC1-100 anytime soon (oh the blasphemy). the vci seems not deep enough to house it (who knows if this would actually work though? anyone?)
I need to replace the standard crossfader from my vestax pmc 06 pro bk cause we all know the lag time is way to big....
I was thinking about the pricey vestax cc-cf up up till know...
I hope the innofader will be avaiable very soon and can also be applied to the line faders since there is hardly any curve adjustment on them...
quote:
"Justin first tested the DXM-06... "
DXM-06?!?!? MY MIXER HAS HOPE!!! Unless its the main circuit board giving me problems. Anyone else have signal cut in on the crossfader with it all the way to one side?
Can't wait to fit these in my 1601s. I know I could drop the 3 bills on a decent backup mixer but im too much in love with my urei and want to hook it up to the max. With 3 of these in that mixer it'll be a monster.
"Frankly rather than chew him out, I was actually thankful he found the problem."
How are you gonna chew someone out for something, that you didn't even know about?
Come on Elliot, choose your words wisely. People are watching.
hmmmm give life to my stanton sa-8, and give boost to my pmc37
D PHASE et. al: Here's the list of current PMC Vestax models we know about:
PMC-05ProD
PMC-05ProIII DX
PMC-05ProIII VCA
PMC-06Pro VCA
PMC-06ProD
PMC-007
PMC-07Pro
PMC-07ProD
PMC-08Pro
PMC-580Pro
With this number of models plus the older models there are a few standards floating around for fader connectors. We are sure the Innofader is compatible with all of the faders using 4 pin connectors, and the PMC crossfaders except the Samurais conform to this standard. The 5 and 6 pin faders are non-VCA and would require modding by a technician to make the Innofader work.
We also know the Innofader is compatible with both the line faders and crossfader for the PMC-08. But the main confusion is that on the other PMCs, line faders are sometimes 4 pin VCA (like an old PMC-007 I tested) and sometimes 5-6 pin non-VCA.
To anyone who knows about the various standards especially on the line faders, please contribute to this thread. All you really need to do is check the number of pins on the fader connector and identify the model number.
Will the Innofader fit the Ecler Nuo2 mixer? The first-gen one (that's *NOT* compatible with the Eternal)?
The Innofader .pdf doesn't exactly answer this question.
Asan: I've updated the chart accordingly. John Ghoddoussi (the North America importer for Ecler) told me that the original Nuo2 doesn't have enough space for the Innofader. However, the new Nuo 2.0 does work using the Ecler Eternal Adapter.
I'm getting a better handle on the Vestax models. A special thanks to Anthony Gardiner for his contributions and discussions. I've included this information in our Vestax compatibility chart.
The information we came up with so far on Innofader compatible Vestax products is as follows:
All PMC crossfaders
Some older PMC-05 models using the 4 pin connector
PMC-07 line faders
PMC-08 line faders
VMC and PCV crossfaders plus the PMC-05 and PMC-06 line faders have enough space for the Innofader but aren't VCA so will have compatibility issues. The Vestax CF-CC fader is a digital fader and will have the same issues if you try to use it as a line fader.
lol i love how they slag the other products, mainly their direct competitor, in their "reviews". Just saying.
When Phillip Le is juggling his eyes light up like the 4th of July. It's absolutely god damn beautiful. Audio Innovate made the right choice in choosing him. (he was the DJ at my school. SCRIPPS RANCH N*GGA! WE RUN THIS MOTHERFU***R! Like a marathon BOOOOY! SKRATCHWOOORX WASSUP!
Audio Innovate,glad u mentioned it's not compatible with the pmc06 linefader (i have the newer 06 pro black one),so all i need is 1 piece for the crossfader....i can't wait for the release..lol
heres a short video of the innofader in action. sorry for the poor quality.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6Si95Fleyw
D Phase - actually right now I am working on a simple mod that will allow you to use the Innofader as a line fader on the PMC-05, PMC-06, Stanton SA-5, and any other mixer where the crossfader is VCA but the line fader connectors aren't innofader compatible. It requires no soldering or wire trimming, and can be done using parts included with the Innofader.
I'll post this probably by Sunday night with the link.
the link doesn't work..page not avaiable...
My question is - I currently have a HAK360, and its been working great for the past 5+years. The fader itself has become slightly worse for wear (and the cut in settings seem to be a bit erratic now and again) Will this fader be a worthwhile upgrade to the eternal?
A replacement eternal seems fairly expensive...has anyone used both and got a report as to difference in feel? ( I assume cut in for both will be like-for-like)
safety pins
I got a HAK 360 for beta testing so I tested both. Gizmo also tested both. The head of Turntablog also tested both but he has an older Innofader beta version.
Here are some differences I noticed:
WEIGHT
The Innofader has a bit more mass to it which may make it bounce more at the ends if you set the tension light. The Eternal bounces far less but definitely clicks.
SOUND
I noticed from testing that you can cut the Eternal in and out by moving the knob up and down. The Innofader doesn't do this.
MECHANICAL STABILITY
The Eternal has slightly less play than the Innofader. The Innofader long body seems to have about 1mm or so play on the knob. The Eternal is secured at the top of the fader so it has about half of that.
RAILS
The Innofader rails are a special polished and hardened steel used for drilling. The Eternal rails feel to me like well polished stainless steel rails. One major difference is that if you don't push exactly along the rails, you will feel much greater changes in fader resistance on the Eternal vs. the Innofader. How much you feel this really depends on how you cut.
Obviously you all know who I work for
so hopefully Gizmo and Phillip can fill in better.
Fantastic response =)
Look forward to Giz/Phillip's comments.
Keep up the sick work!
Tobe
Sounds really great!
I can't wait to plug it into my Rodec Scratchbox.
I really want to try it.
Dude will it work on Numark Mixers?
Seeing as though the old Rane 54's Line and xFader are all interchangeable.
Does the Innofader fit the Rane 54?
Answered it myself.
Peace
DJ Dude:
For Numark branks, the Innofader works on the 5000Fx, PPD9000, all DXM crossfaders, and the DXM-Pro line faders.
You can also find this information on the Innofader website:
www.innofader.com
Look at the "List of Innofader Compatible Mixers"
RE: WEIGHT
The Innofader has a bit more mass to it which may make it bounce more at the ends if you set the tension light. The Eternal bounces far less but definitely clicks.
With either of these faders, I never miss a click when I'm scratching. I think the "bounce" of the eternal fader is more comparable to that of the rane ttm56. Since the innofader has 2mm rubber stops at each end, the innofaders "bounce" is more comparable to a Vestax PCV fader modded with CLS-1 Rubber stoppers.
Is there any exact date yet? Waiting is killing me softly :D haha
Just a thought, is the fader knob thicker than that of the Pro X Fade (are the material walls larger)? Because myself and a fellow DJ both have Pro X's, and very quickly they have developed small holes in the sides of the knob. This is because the material has been made with such a thin wall, or that the gap for the fader stem to fit in is too wide (or a bit of both), that the stem is just wearing the cap away from the inside.
This problem has accelerated much more for my mate (who scratches so much more often than I do), where the fader cap just rocks around, completely unstable and making scratching feel weird and beat-juggling even weirder. And the worst of it all is that the stem on the X Fade is so much wider than on standard faders that he can't just replace the cap with a different one from a different fader, if you get what I mean.
it is a real shame that the innofader does not work with the rane ttm57sl mixer. this is an awesome mixer but has one drawback: there is a dip in the middle. a dip which could be fixed in firmware but it seems like there is no interest from rane in fixing this with an update.
so my hope was the innofader working with the tttm57 to get rid of this problem.
illbn: Yeah I know
we're pushing daily to get completion on this. We've already got the boards started so hopefully we'll have some good news soon on completion dates...
DJ Switch: The knobs we use on the production Innofaders will have plastic reinforcement around the slot. One of our beta testers Damian from Bratpol found this problem too so we've made changes accordingly.
nmngh: Sorry Rane has so many of it's own standards (different slot size, different hole spacing, different electronics) that it's really a bear to fit.
And they've got the approach that you should only buy Rane approved parts for Rane mixers.
In contrast, Ecler has done the following:
1) used the same industry standard spacing on their faders (45mm travel, 65mm hole spacing)
2) provided me with a sample of their standard fader with an Ecler Eternal adapter circuit for me to study and adapt to the Innofader.
So Ecler definitely receives a big thumbs up from me, and they deserve to have many happy customers who can choose between the Innofader and the Eternal. The HAK 360 in my lab with the 3 Innofaders ain't going nowhere.8)
my guess is that any fader knob will become loose if you frequently take it on and off. you could always put a small piece of tissue paper on the stem then the fader cap on top of it, which will make it stay on tight as demonstrated on qberts dvd
I think it's one thing to get loose, but if it actually breaks internally, no amount of tape can fix this...
would it fit in a numark sm1?
doesnt show on the list.
Hey Elliot Marx, with the amount of testing being done, what is the projected release date for the innofader? When do you think turntable lab will have it and what is the projected cost of the fader?
@phil
siiiick dude, i remember you telling me about all of this, i can't wait to steal yours pick one up when they come out.
BC Rogan, et al: Actually we're in the process of building the PC boards for the Innofader but still trying to get a finalized release date from manufacturing. No more testing needs to be done, just a matter of pulling together the manufacturing logistics.
I don't believe the Innofader works on the SM-1 but I'll check.
damn that sucks.
please check and tell me it works.
oooggaa, nmngh, illbn, ayooooooooooo, etc. how about signing on with a username instead of some random typing so we know who we are talking to?
Hi yall,
It should work fine on a sm1...as a crossfader. Its gonna need all 12 spacers that come with it b/c the sm1 faceplate isnt flush with the mixer body. Basically the SM1 is a fancy 05pro and the slot for the fader is huge so no worries there!
-=S=-
Hey Scream,
I'll check with the manufacturer to make sure this works.
Elliot
Hey Scream,
I think it would be difficult to get the Innofader working without major modding in the SM-1 because it has an unusual optical VCA circuit different from the PMC-05.
There are many mixers - Numark DXMs and 5000Fx, Stanton SAs, Vestax PMCs, Eclers, Ureis, A&Hs, Reloops, Tascam, Rodec, AI of course! - which are Innofader compatible.
jkbhkbh
I dont get why it would be difficult to get the innofader to work in the sm1. How different could the electronics be from every other mixer that was designed to work with the standard alps crossfader that all GEN 1 high end mixers used 9 years ago? I mean if it can work in a 05, stanton sa, and the like why not an sm1. What is this about optical vca circuitry?
BC Rogan - hey hold tight, looks like Scream will help me with detective work on checking SM-1 compatibility. It has the standard 4 pin VCA connector so there's a good chance it works.
I'd like to take this chance to personally thank "Scream" for his help. He took pictures and even used a voltmeter to measure the voltages on all of the pins on his SM-1.
It turns out that the Innofader can work in the SM-1 with settings virtually the same as for the 5000Fx.
Thanks so much for your help Scream. I got the Numark SM-1 added to the "List of Innofader Compatible Mixers"
When can we buy it in europe?
I want to buy it so bad!
Any new info AI?
Thank you in advance...
Monstar - where are you in Europe? We just contacted all of our European distributors recently. It should be available in Europe about the same time as it's available in the US, which is about mid-July.
Well, I'm from Croatia. I will be going to Switzerland and Germany at the beginning of next month! I hope that you'll sell more in EU than in US!
Good luck, and keep up the good work...
Hope they will fit into my two Ecler mixer (HAK 320 & HAK 310) and we'll be able to check 'em out in Germany soon.
Do you guys allready know how much it will cost? Eternal and Pro X Fader are still quite expensive.
Grizu, Monstar,
Just in case you haven't checked already:
http://www.audioinnovate.com/index.php?iframe=purchase.html
All of our distributors and sales outlets are on this list, including ones in Germany and Switzerland
Will this fit the Urei 1601S? I bought one from BOWNSIR (Farthur up the page) and he had it fit with a Pro X fade and he "twisted" the connections. Not soldering. SO...
1)Will the inn fit the 1601S?
2)If so how hard would it be to install?
Thanks Marx!
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