Yeah, and where's MY copy????
yes, beat the total living shit out of it! let us know how solid it is
damn, it looks like they've done everything that SSL can't do and everything it can do, only better!
this is some serious competition to serato!
the only thing missing is video....
Traktor skratch is so ill. I got the crossgrade during my lunch break yesterday and hooked it up as soon as I got home. Mad easy to set up and the damn thing actually keet up with my hand movements. Drags were pretty danm perfect. Espacially when busting out combos. I tried to make this shit bug out in some way but couldn't. I scratched for like an hour and a half. Can't wait to get the heck out of work for round 2. My FS2 is an old relic now. COP THIS SHIT!:D
Does it support 3 channels???
Boo, no trade in for the original FS1.0 pre-NI units.
looks better than torq
Is it really better than Serato? Can't be!
FS Sound - I believe you have to get Traktor 3 with will support up to 4 inputs. so with that said - yes.
Click - Well from my point of view is killz anything out right now. three of my boys got serato nd they are coming over tonight to test out Traktor Scratch. I'll have em drop a post. 8)
Maybe a REAL video is in order here...I'll try to post one by tomorrow, y'all. If anyone has any requests for the vid let me know.
well they certainly managed to emulate the SSL branding...
cool cuse i get drops with torq and the sound is not that great so im looking to cross over
to something
I just picked up Traktor Scratch a few days ago. I'm a die hard Serato user/fanboy, but TS is going to be some serious competition. The Audio8 soundcard is dope. I'm not a big fan of the Traktor GUI or file browsing method, I much prefer SSL's, but TS definitely has some little features SSL needs badly, like saved full playlist review history and "airplane mode" (set cue points, loops, etc without the interface connected). I'll be doing my own SSL vs TS review in the coming weeks. And yes, TS blows Torq out the water.
Like Serato, can you download the software for free from NI's website?
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"Like Serato, can you download the software for free from NI's website?"
I don't think so.
Thats one sexy looking sound card im saving up any one wana buy Torq off me ??
actually one thing does it have midi ???
its a wonderful product, just a shame that only 2 decks can be timecode controlled at any one time, so no 3 decks messing about...
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"actually one thing does it have midi ???"
Yes, the Audio8 has MIDI In/Out ports.
My first impressions:
The whole GUI could use some work. Waveforms not juxtaposed so you can beatmatch with the help of visual peaks. It looks cluttered and the center part is a bit awkward. And antique dusty brown isn't quite my color.
But otherwise,
latency cool,
MIDI cool,
soundcard/new wiring very cool,
customer service and future support? Maybe they will change...
well, looks like i'm gonna have to copt this. i just bought two techs and the ttm57 a month ago. saving for a qfo but i need to get this son. looks like the xbox. i love gears of war.
can i repeat "it's first clas, first class, first class, first class i hail" ? and loop it with a 3sec delay while using a gate compression overlayed with echo and reverb? if so, i'll take two. One to hook up to the qfo of course.
I'm also going to buy the controller one cause i like dj 8ball and his tones.
Hope that was a joke ten spot
I have FS2 and a QFO. They do not play nicely together. The QFO outputs too much rumble for the FS hardware to handle. It does not work at all. I think the same will be true of NI Scatch. It's not NI or Stantons fault. It is the dodgy wireing and crappy construction of the QFO imho.
G=-
Serato crossgrade... Wow... This guys didn't sit on their hands at all, and are coming at it hard. My guess is that very very soon we will have completely different products aimed at different markets, and they won't be competing at all. Serato will probably continue to be the scratchers choice, working on stability and precise Vinyl emulation. This thing right here might do pretty well with straight-up mixing of dance music in general (which, IMHO, is a market that will completely disappear in 2 years time). And I take it DVS Mixvibes will be aimed at those people doing group perfomances, or doing things that combine turntablism with other things (using multiple decks and top-shelf audio interfaces). Torq will fade into oblivion, Numark thing too.
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"I have FS2 and a QFO. They do not play nicely together. The QFO outputs too much rumble for the FS hardware to handle. It does not work at all. I think the same will be true of NI Scatch. It's not NI or Stantons fault. It is the dodgy wireing and crappy construction of the QFO imho.
G=-"
Ummmmm.... the QFO isn't designed to work with FS2 or Serato at all. Having 2 line inputs and only a master output, it's kind of hard to get the right config necessary. So it's not really anyone's fault - it just wasn't designed to do that.
well with serato releasing 1.7.2 beta, it seems that theyre just getting better and better. i do have a 57 and recently the VCI so I got to play around with traktor and I say im really impressed with traktor. ive been doing research and it seems that the really solid vinyl feel of traktor scratch, combined with the established traktor software (which of course has midi) really is STRONG competition for serato. but then again, SSL 1.8 will answer back in their own BIG way.
is there still hope for similar slow drags on serato or is that all a hardware issue?
if so, i wouldn't mind shelling out a crossgrade for a improved serato box with USB 2.0 and upgraded timecode records, i'm tired of slow drags breaking up. i love my serato, i just hate the digi-ness and traktor is very convincing in that aspect.
USB 1.1 transmits at a max rate of 12 mbps, more than enough for audio files. USB 2.0 won't make a difference until you start sending larger amounts of data (i.e. video).
Gizmo, One question! the feel and the response of traktor scratch its better than fs2????
i think that fs2 its so fast response, even to jugglin with the records at 45 rpm...
mikel - I didn't use FS2 for any length of time so I can't comment on that. All I can say is that I could chirp without any issues, which is always a good test.
I'd have thought that SSL v1.8 is going to be of most interest to 57 users that anyone else. Video certainly doesn't work for non-57 users and if I were Rane, I'd make video the premium product and make it work only with the 57. Most users don't need video anyway and to add that into Serato should really make it a paid upgrade.
Do you guys honestly need video? Have you thought about how much it would cost to DJ with video? Buying music DVDs isn't exactly cheap and just think how many you'll need to keep a crowd happy. Mixmash DVDs go for £35 each and that gets you 30 videos.
And ripped 320x240 Youtube vids just isn't going to cut it.
Don't let the promise of video lure you towards something you actually don't need.
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"I'd have thought that SSL v1.8 is going to be of most interest to 57 users that anyone else. "
Not really, it's slated in to have Midi and Snap too Auto Looping and that should be functional on SL1 users not just 57 users...
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"Video certainly doesn't work for non-57 users and if I were Rane, I'd make video the premium product and make it work only with the 57. Most users don't need video anyway and to add that into Serato should really make it a paid upgrade."
They've said over on the forum that Video is going to be a completely seprate App/bolt on that synchs up with the main serato app, it's not going to be part of the normal Serao coding.
They've nto hinted that you wont be able to use it with anythign over than the 57, seems a bit of a silly move on their behalf if they go that route.
Back to Traktor Skratch, does indeed look very nice, be interested to see how well it handles and integrates with things such as Abelton and so on.
isn't it possible to also create some of your own videos? rather than use actual music video footage, maybe you could create files with photo slideshows and visualization clips.
i've also seen a few labels that offer video downloads from the websites for a fairly decent price. i have yet to try any, does any have any clue if they are of better quality than iTunes offers? I downloaded the 'I got 5 on it' vid and the quality was crap...intended for iPod use only? screw that.
talking to a few people that were at namm, they said traktor lagged and cut out a lot. the videos however show no lag or problems, so its really confusing. i wonder how stable traktor is? the slow record control is something needed badly in serato.
I always found Serato to be excellent in all areas of scratch sound reproduction. It has been a long time since I used it, but is there really any kind of issue with slow drags?
More choice for the marketplace is always good, so I'll reserve judgement until I've tried it.
@ Gizmo, good point with that video statement. People I think are lured by the possibilities but don't see the reality behind it (low selection, high price and other constraints).
@ DJ.RodrigoSM.Br -> Dance music DEAD in 2 years time? Dude, if I assume you don't spin dance and if I further assume you don't spin oldies like rock or disco, then you better search the "music history" and you will see dance was around when your genre did not even EXIST...So cut the crap and be tolerant. Different types of people like different types of music.
@ Deft, i agree mate, i don't find any problems with doing drags etc.... on Serato
I always find the problems comes in when doing micro movements like Tips and chirps, thats when i find it struggles....
DJ.RodrigoSM.Br -dance music in general (which, IMHO, is a market that will completely disappear in 2 years time).
My god are you serious? Maybe in america its not as popular but here in europe the dj industry is built and runs on dance music not hip to the hop!
Dance music is popular in the States also. So I don't know why anyone would think or guess it might be going away in 2 years (or at anytime frame). Just not gonna happen.
DANCE DYING IN 2 years ! not to be a dick but that is a laughable statement. Humans love to dance. And electronic dance music has been around longer than hip hop and will continue to be. More people in the world listen to elctronic dance music than hip hop. You dont see hip hop shows around the world where there are a 100.000 people coming just to see dance djs. Whether you like it or not dance is here to stay.
dance music will be about for years to come otherwise companies would not be spending millions on it, if they saw the market dissapering then they would stop.
Serato and MIDI is a bit weird for me now. Yes it would be good but doing a bit of reasearch suggests to me that a MIDI controller is not always the way to go. I was one after MIDI but i feel that a keyboard such as the X keys or a touch screen would probably be better as they can or will automatically adjust to new features. You can change keys on the x keys and the screen will just change as new features are added. You might think this will cost more but look at the prices of MIDI controllers. I think both the x keys or a touch screen (15" off ebay) will cost about £150, a very compareable price if not cheaper.
What puts me of Traktor is the paying for upgrades, NI are good at that like Stanton was so i will be sticking to Serato.
Video will be a seperate package that you would need to buy for Serato and is being made to work with the 57 so that the crossfader can be used.
err correction, you dont see shows of 100.000 plus coming just to see a hip hop act but you do with DJs. maybe in US people are not into dance as much as hip hop. that is because we are filled with lots of wigger white trash who are really into being ghetto, just like we dont play soccer, but the dance market is HUGE in the rest of the world. and frankly its still pretty big here as well. i mean look at Detroits electronic music fest, or ULTRA, or Cochella, or even take a look at indie bands, they now sound like rock with 4/4 house beats and electro. dance is not going anywhere.
i think Rane shold release a new updated version that supports 2kz and then release an updated timecode vinyl similar to traktor scratches vinyl that has double the contacts. BOOM problem solved.
@ Brogan
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" More people int he world listen to dance music than hip hop"
Er! thats not true.
hip hop is the largest selling music gener in the world outselling every other Genre including Electronica, Dance music and good old country and pop.
Maybe in a live environment more people attend electronic dance music, but then then the current scene is born out of the Rave and club scene of the 90's and lends it self to large festival type parties.
But facts speak for themselves, hip hop is the largest muiscal gener in the world.
@Deft, Monk-A
I'm always a bit surprised to hear people say that Serato struggles with either drags or fast movements. As Deft knows, I've started using DJDecks a lot with FS vinyl, and I'm absolutely staggered at how well it works. I always assumed Serato would be vastly superior but to be honest I can't see any improvement being more than slight.
The thing is, DJDecks is heavily set up towards user customisation. You will need to invest a little time in setting it up correctly. For example, you set the low end signal cutoff point to prevent cue-drift, but setting this value high will affect the slowest drags you can perform. Set it up right and you can drag slower than you would ever possibly need to, it accurately detects the slowest possible movement I can perform.
Setting it up right also vastly improved the ability to perform the micro-movement scratches, for example hydroplanes were very muddy initially, but now they're all but perfect. Even my fastest chirps can't phase it. I really hadn't expected a homebrew app to be able to cope with any of these movements so effectively.
It does have downsides; the UI is coded in VB of all things and as a result it is very resource hungry. It looks unlikely to be recompiled in a more robust language any time soon. The audio is fantastic in the highest quality settings, but I have to drop it back one on my poor old USB sound device to achieve 10ms latency. As result, the output quality does suffer somewhat.
I'm sorry to go slightly off-topic, but what I am getting at is that in light of my findings, it would seem that flexibility of setting the parameters does seem to have a very significant impact over the quality of vinyl emulation. Whilst Serato is very much plug-and-play, a little more control over factors such as preamplification and the cutoff limits are limiting factors in achieving the best vinyl emulation.
Remember, the output signal ranges between the quickest movements and the slowest drags is VAST. I've found consistently that in order to produce a signal that peaks at 0dB for the very fastest movements, the 33rpm signal output will need to be set at around -6dB for the FS vinyl. Remember of course that this is a logarithmic scale, so we're talking about changes that typically operate over several orders of magnitude here! Clearly, small adjustments to the setup are going to impact performance drastically. Given that factors like needle output vary tremendously, it isn't hard to see why mileage may vary with solutions like Serato.
I realise that this isn't for everyone, but uber-geeks like myself will definitely appreciate flexibility! If nothing else, I've learned an awful lot about getting the most from vinyl emulation. I'm itching to get my basic sub-£100 device next to Serato or Traktor for an A/B session.
Can someone fill me in on to exactly what extent you can tweak Serato and Traktor? Fair play to Rane and NI for making the products trivially simple to set up, but being something of a control freak I would actually be very much put off by having to operate to a tightly defined spec.
As a final note, my understanding is that Serato and Traktor's hardware operate as glorified sound cards. Thinking this through, it would appear to me that several of the data acquisition devices manufactured by scientific companies such as National Instruments could provide a much more accurate basis for a detection device... after all, some are far more accurate than any sound card available and designed to work right down to the microvolt scale! Who needs preamps?
@deft
doing very slow drags and the sound begins to sound "crunchy".
if you stop the table and move the record REALLY slow, the sound begins to get digitized if you will and sound crappy. thats my only concern with serato. this happens to me no matter what mode i am in.
i really wished that these different companies would allow full user customization of the user interface. Every product has great points to them all, but no one product has everything i want in one. I wish Traktor had stacked track waveforms like serato so you can easily navigate through a track and pinpoint exaclty where you want deck A for example to be in relation to Deck B like serato. If your halfway in the song and you want to start to juggle, you can line up the courser to the other track. It would be so dope if you could have real time GUI manipulation, like enlarging the size of the round turntable markers, Drag and drop and move around wave forms, really be able to mess and customize what you want. I would love traktor scratch but it doesnt have those stacked waveforms. I hate the side by sides. Its to hard to keep your place.
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"if you stop the table and move the record REALLY slow, the sound begins to get digitized if you will and sound crappy. thats my only concern with serato. this happens to me no matter what mode i am in."
how often would you actually do that?
It's all down to the Quality of MP3 you use as well, lower qualtiy will artifact quicker.
@ Liam; You can customise Serato to a point, with the USB buffer settings etc...
The nice thing about TS from my mind is the 2khz time code it just makes the marker points a little more exact...
Yeah I think all of the timecode solutions work really well in terms of scratch sound reproduction.
Serato always seemed to have the slight edge in sound reproduction IMO and was always capable of running at slightly lower latency. Haven't tried the latest versions of all the softwares though.
Like Monk-A says, would you really be in a situation where you move it so slow it breaks up? It's kind of a limitation of the technology (but 'real' records still sound crap when moved that slow!
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I hope NI are capable of supporting and bug-fixing Traktor Scratch well, as they don't appear to have the greatest reputation in this are with people I know who use their soft synths.
How many Channles?
I think they should work on a video mixing option. I've been wanting to create a video mix (a montage) and make an audio mix to go over it. I think that would be dope.
Giz:
I spin in a club Thursday & Friday nights here in Taiwan using FS, (Changing soon though I just ordered the Traktor box)
Now, I have a QFO and use Traktor which supports 4 decks. My problem with the QFO has always been shitty sound. Its fine at home, but a really noticable in the club. The thing sounds bad. Every fader click comes though the speakers and there is a HUGE amount of noise. I cannot even use the RCA outputs on the back. I have to output using one of the headphone outputs into the clubs mixer, otherwise the noise is just out of control. I'm not sure why the headphone output is any better, but it is by a long long shot.
Since Traktor supports 4 decks I thought why not hook the QFO up to the third. I want to use the QFO because the main mixer is a P600 which sucks for scratching. But the noise of the output makes the timecode vinyl signal too messy for Traktor to read.. Just a shame they didn't bother using better quality sheilding on the wires, or perhaps use some sort of spray foam on the inside of the unit... But then again, I'm not sure how traktor would behave if you started cutting the signal in and out with a fader anyway
But hay, in my little DJ dream world, I hook it up, and everything rocks... everytime...
Best,
G=-,
no interest in NI products anymore.
im gonna get TRAKTOR. If the sound is that good then shit why not. i have FS2/traktor 3 and serato already, ill get the crossgrade offer and sell my fs2 system for 350, boom, i just got traktor scratch for 50 bucks.
Konix i hear there is a sampler can u record live in to it ?
thats why i got torq i was lead to believe that i can do that but i cant
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"Konix i hear there is a sampler can u record live in to it ?
thats why i got torq i was lead to believe that i can do that but i cant"
You mean like record your set? Yes you can do that in TS, even with external control. The Audio 8 has extra inputs to allow for recording of your set. Or are you talking about something else, like in Serato how you can record/sample from the mic/vinyl and play it back instantly? I don't think TS can do that as far as I can tell. Nor a drop sampler.
for your info, I think you cannot buy the crossgrade say if you own FS2 or SSL and then sell the older box because you are tied to it.
Its a small point albeit a big one in case you are a switcher.
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"for your info, I think you cannot buy the crossgrade say if you own FS2 or SSL and then sell the older box because you are tied to it.
Its a small point albeit a big one in case you are a switcher."
I am pretty sure thats not true. I read up on the Tractor boards about it and the mods said you can sell your FS or Serato after getting the crossgrade.
Actually the only thing you need for the crossgrade is the original receipt or invoice to submit to NI. I don't think the NI police will pay you a visit to get physical verification of ownership.
Question: Have anyone seen or demoed TS with CDTTs? A friend who demoed it at Remix Hotel said it played like ass on the Pio CDJ800. That's one of the strengths of SSL is it plays well with CDTTs. I don't want to jump the gun based on one DJs experience though.
I have no confidence in NI's tech support. At least I know the Serato crew is going to work to get a solution which is more than I ever got from NI.
Betting €100 that the product will be very, very buggy at this moment. Betting another €100 that the support will suck until xmass, when there will be a new versions of Traktor Studio DJ Pro whatever clown app, and NI will seduce all users to switch to it.
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"when there will be a new versions of Traktor Studio DJ Pro whatever clown app, and NI will seduce all users to switch to it."
And you forgot charge you for it on top of that.
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"Question: Have anyone seen or demoed TS with CDTTs? A friend who demoed it at Remix Hotel said it played like ass on the Pio CDJ800. That's one of the strengths of SSL is it plays well with CDTTs. I don't want to jump the gun based on one DJs experience though."
Funny you mention that, I just played with some CDJ-1000s last night with TS. One CDJ worked fine, the other gave me nothing but problems. Horrible crackling sound any time I touched the platter to cue/scratch. Weird part was the volume was all the way down on that channel and it appeared to play from the other channel. Checked all the regular things; wires, setup, calibration, swapped CDJ's inputs. Couldn't narrow the problem. Loaded up Serato and both CDJs worked fine so I don't think it was the CDJ. Even more strange was the one CDJ that worked was a very old MK1, the "bad" one was a brand new MK3.
quote:Konix
You mean like record your set? Yes you can do that in TS, even with external control. The Audio 8 has extra inputs to allow for recording of your set. Or are you talking about something else, like in Serato how you can record/sample from the mic/vinyl and play it back instantly? I don't think TS can do that as far as I can tell. Nor a drop sampler.
i was talking about like in Serato how you can record/sample from the mic/vinyl and play it back instantly?
but shit man u can record your set with in ts .
that kills
i love that
with torq i have to open Sound Forge 8.0
then record .
does anyone know if this works with vista 64 bit
Gizmo when you review this :D u should vs it with mixvibes dvs pro
that would be sick to see
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"i was talking about like in Serato how you can record/sample from the mic/vinyl and play it back instantly?
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Nope, I almost sure TS can't do that. If it can, I haven't seen that option and/or it's not explained in the manual as a feature.
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"does anyone know if this works with vista 64 bit"
No, only 32-bit Vista, and even then NI still doesn't recommend using Vista.
OK, my mistake, after further playing around, it is possible to record from the mic or any input and load it to a deck instantly. So yes, TS can do that DJ Cross+Fade just like Serato.
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" Or are you talking about something else, like in Serato how you can record/sample from the mic/vinyl and play it back instantly? I don't think TS can do that as far as I can tell. Nor a drop sampler."
Sure it can. It's pretty easy to do, actually. I've made a little video to demonstrate how...
http://media.libsyn.com/media/settheory/tsrecord.wmv
It doesn't have a drop sampler, but you can use a 3rd party app for that (like many SSL users do).
o hell that what i need and been wanting i wish they had it to where the waves where on top of each other like in torq tho or mixvibes
(im learning how to mix metal with torq im starting to look at my screen less lol i have been mixxing metal for 30 days with songs matching.
90 days off beat haha . i didnt understand how to now im getting it .everything else 10 years
but torq makes me sound like a beginner sometimes
with the bugs like i press like sometimes i press the loop short cut key i made and a loop with a fx that i dont want pops up i hate that .
anyway hows the ts bpm ? i would only use it for metal on and off
nem0nic
have you done a test with asio4all?
i would love to see that with ts
does ts work with vista 64 bit
im realy sold if they do
No test with ASIO4ALL. No need to, since the A8DJ driver is fully ASIO. And using that driver would eliminate the possibility of using the vinyl control (since TS would not see the A8DJ as such).
I also haven't tested with Vista. I had a Vista machine (my new laptop) for about 30 minutes before I nuked it and put on trusty and stable XP. The official stance right now with ALL NI products that I know of is that they aren't Vista capable.
I DID do another video, this time showing off the "Emergency Mode" capability of Traktor Scratch. People were wondering what it was and how it works - here's the answer...
http://media.libsyn.com/media/settheory/tsem.wmv
cool thanks man :D
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"when there will be a new versions of Traktor Studio DJ Pro whatever clown app, and NI will seduce all users to switch to it."
And you forgot charge you for it on top of that.
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I know they charge you since I was on the TFS boat for some years.
You know, TS might be very good (I believe tracking vinyl isn't the game anymore for companies: they all know how to do that by now) but this product isn't intended for professional use. Good tracking is nice, but whats really important for a pro user is stability. NI has a very bad history with this.
Also, that certified mixer stuff also isn't opted for pro use. If you gig @ a big party / festival they have either DJMs or Xone mixers - both will not be certified. Looks to me that this product will be very favourable to people to use it with a Warez copy and buy a certified mixer. Also, the XLR cable is very nice, but useless since no big party / festival PA will have one installed (cause the product isn't targeted at pro users, it will not be used by pro users and the XLR story won't be addopted). Finally, the Audio8 soundcard doesn't have a galvanic seperation between USB power and audio (SSL interfaces have this), so this thing will be very sensitive for groundloops - totally unacceptable for pro use, and a shame since groundloops have been problematic on the TFS 1.5 and TFS 2 scratch amps. NI didn't learn from all the bug reports from users? Here we go again...
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"...but whats really important for a pro user is stability. "
But this is an assumption, not a fact.
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" If you gig @ a big party / festival they have either DJMs or Xone mixers - both will not be certified."
This is the part where I sit quietly and smile.
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"Finally, the Audio8 soundcard doesn't have a galvanic seperation between USB power and audio (SSL interfaces have this), so this thing will be very sensitive for groundloops - totally unacceptable for pro use..."
And this is the part whaere you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Actually, the A8DJ has an active circuit to address ground loops. And it can be turned on or off. Why? Because sometimes having ground loop isolation when it's not needed will CAUSE noise.
You make some pretty big assumptions for being no one who would know.
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"...but whats really important for a pro user is stability. "
But this is an assumption, not a fact.
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" If you gig @ a big party / festival they have either DJMs or Xone mixers - both will not be certified."
This is the part where I sit quietly and smile.
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"Finally, the Audio8 soundcard doesn't have a galvanic seperation between USB power and audio (SSL interfaces have this), so this thing will be very sensitive for groundloops - totally unacceptable for pro use..."
And this is the part whaere you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Actually, the A8DJ has an active circuit to address ground loops. And it can be turned on or off. Why? Because sometimes having ground loop isolation when it's not needed will CAUSE noise.
You make some pretty big assumptions for being no one who would know.
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Dude, go test your NI stuff with protools, again.
Stability is an assumption? Maybe you only play in front of your posters on your bedroom wall, but for me stabilty is the most important stuff. I don't want something out of my control to fok up a gig for 2k people.
Xone 92/62 mixers won't get certified: USB / FW connectivity dude. Same goes for DJM mixers. Lets hope I will never get confronted with such a Korg mixer in a DJ booth - would be a laugh.
And this is the part where you completely forgot to read my comment. The A8DJ has an active circuit to address ground loops! Hurray, but it doesn't have the galvanic separation: so ground loops are possible inside the device: noise filter supression won't do much good if you have a bad loop... When was the last time my SL1 made noise? Ow yeah, when I played som NIN tracks.
Oh and BTW, I don't need my SL1 to be used as a soundcard. I think a can shelf out Û30 for a USB card if I need. But, I'm quite pleased with my RME Fireface 400. So, thanks but no.
No, the statement that TS is unstable is an assumption based on nothing but feelings. You offer no evidence.
You also make an assumption that no Xone mixer will be certified for TS. Also based on nothing. In fact, it's a pretty ignorant statement considering that NI is already partnered with Allen & Heath on the 3D and with the Xone EQ/filter emulation in Traktor 3 and TS.
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"The A8DJ has an active circuit to address ground loops! Hurray, but it doesn't have the galvanic separation: so ground loops are possible inside the device: noise filter supression won't do much good if you have a bad loop..."
Galvanic isolation is simply the electrical isolation of circuits. There are many ways to do this. It's one way to address ground loops, but not the only way. But for your information, the A8DJ DOES incorporate galvanic isolation.
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"Oh and BTW, I don't need my SL1 to be used as a soundcard. I think a can shelf out Û30 for a USB card if I need. But, I'm quite pleased with my RME Fireface 400. So, thanks but no."
LOL! We weren't talking about this, but it sounds like someone has a little inferiority complex.
What you need has absolutely no bearing on what the real world wants. The fact is that SSL users have been asking for ASIO drivers since it's release. Obviously, it's a feature that's wanted by some part of the DVS community.
No, the statement that TS is unstable is an assumption based on nothing but feelings. You offer no evidence.
It's based un past user experiences and benchmarking current NI products against other products in the industry. Mate, NI score te lamest on stability (Battery 3, OMFG!! Thus, all pretty valid indicators for sane people (or people who don't get paid for bending the truth)You also make an assumption that no Xone mixer will be certified for TS. Also based on nothing. In fact, it's a pretty ignorant statement considering that NI is already partnered with Allen & Heath on the 3D and with the Xone EQ/filter emulation in Traktor 3 and TS.
Dude, you need to relax and start reading comments properly. I said that the mixers you see on gigs won't get certified (Xone, DJM). If you are hoping for a Xone 3D, 2D, and 1D certification: know yourself out - you won't find those in any clubs besides somewhere ultra highend like Fabricquote:
"The A8DJ has an active circuit to address ground loops! Hurray, but it doesn't have the galvanic separation: so ground loops are possible inside the device: noise filter supression won't do much good if you have a bad loop..."
Galvanic isolation is simply the electrical isolation of circuits. There are many ways to do this. It's one way to address ground loops, but not the only way. But for your information, the A8DJ DOES incorporate galvanic isolation.
Lier, you cannot shut that off or on. This happens in front of the USB input. Please, open you A8DJ and go look for it.quote:
"Oh and BTW, I don't need my SL1 to be used as a soundcard. I think a can shelf out ó30 for a USB card if I need. But, I'm quite pleased with my RME Fireface 400. So, thanks but no."
LOL! We weren't talking about this, but it sounds like someone has a little inferiority complex.
LOL, I had that, when I owned TFS1.5, not anymore dude! All those meaningless comments from you. Sounds they're comming from someone who is afraid he is going to experience all the past DVS horrors again. First, defending it to heaven, then - missery. Good luck dude. Maybe you can crossgrade in 2009 to a new NI product. Do you see the pattern already? LOL!What you need has absolutely no bearing on what the real world wants. The fact is that SSL users have been asking for ASIO drivers since it's release. Obviously, it's a feature that's wanted by some part of the DVS community.
Although, a very small group. Again, I can shell out an extra 30 euros for a USB audiocart, no need to buy TS for it. PS. ASIO would be useless to me since I'm on a Mac and I have a RME FirefaceNow, go figure out what the first TS bugfix solved and win, win, win, the lucky price of the day!
Your flying your fanboy flag in full effect. If you're here arguing with me, who is in your place on the OMGXBOX forums bashing the Playstation 3? It is obvious that you are a moron that has no interest in doing anything at all except thread crapping and defending a platform that no one is attacking.
quote:
"Lier, you cannot shut that off or on. This happens in front of the USB input. Please, open you A8DJ and go look for it."
This part I love. Why don't you open yours, since you seem to have knowledge of it's components? Talking out of your ass much?
As for the patch, no, it didn't fix the G4 issues. I made these problems very clear in my review. The product has been out for less than a week. Will they fix it? I don't know, but neither do you. I have no interest in guessing the future of TS support, or wondering how NI will treat thier customers. I wasn't reviewing their customer service (and everyone should know where I stand on that by now). I'm reviewing the product and providing data to readers that wouldn't be presented that data otherwise.
Go fly, fanboy! I think someone was bashing XBOX Live.
I don't mind healthy exchanges of opposing views keep it nice OK?
A bugfix, that doesn't fix the bug. Ah, enough said - you are right. Maybe they fix it, it's still early and a rushed product can never be perfect. You are right.
Lier. Please don't call other people morrons, when clearly you are the morron here. Lord of Crossgrade.
Anyway, check this out
http://media.g4tv.com/images/blog/632702616604393556.jpg
#3= me, #4 = U!
Edit. Correct link:
http://media.g4tv.com/images/blog/632702616604393556.jpg
This is just hilarious...
Trat, you forgot to post the goatse link as the ultimate proof of immaturity :D
OK people - enough now. Name calling gets you nowhere and a Serato head vs an NI head makes for a doomed thread.
Anymore name calling from anyone results in a banning. Is there any part of this that is unclear?
OK, but I didn't start it.
Trat a yo i had the same prob with troq will more so than now turns out my pc had bad ram and needed to be fixed
download ORTHOS if anything is wrong it will tell u
i ran mine for 14 hours start
it puts ur pc or laptop under load 100%
this is one of the tools that dell and others like alien ware and everyone else uses to tell there systems work 100%
it took my system to 117 f for 14 hours
that means it works like a champ
my pc is 100% good to go and road ready
i should point out that this is the only stably software
that i have seen take my cpu this high
if it passes 14 hours you r ready for the summer
but make sure u keep it cool tho
under nom u dont want to see that temp
at most 105
so run the test see if its just you .
dj cross+fade you dont make any sense. I'm on a MacBook Pro and a 12" Powerbook. I run Serato and have 0 problems with it (including RAM, temperture or anything).
PS. Did your PC got infected with the nologicalcaps'ndots32 virus?
I've had mine for about almost a month now. One word "Amazing". it has the ability to put up the low scratch,the smallest movement. I like it a lot!
I've had mine for about almost a month now. One word "Amazing". it has the ability to put up the low scratch,the smallest movement. I like it a lot!
Hey Richy, did you get yours as part of the Guitar Center pre-release? I know several people who got it early when it was mistakenly put on shelves early.
Trat no i have no virus at all i alwas have my kaspersky on hi
kaspersky its wehen u want over kill :P
anyway
my ram just was burned out
the good thing about my ocz ram is that ocz 15 mins away
so if anything goes wrong i have my own pit crew lol ready to go
im sure the is sofeware like this for macs
All I ment to say is that TS (for now) is an unproven product in terms of stabilty and support from its developer. For bedroom use these factors are less important than the best tracking. But for professional use these factors are important indicators for auditing the purchase of a product. If TS tends to be an unstabil and bad supported product it just isn't targeted at professional users. In that case, Serato is a more confident product for your money.
If TS tends to be better in all terms than Serato I might consider it. Although I don't think there is much room for improvement here, since Serato does all I want and IMO has a more intelligent GUI. Only time will tell...
I guess it's only a matter of time untill the warez stuff comes out and people can use it (at home) for free with their certified mixer.
new video of TS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDL4fDf4FpI
nem0nic great review!!!!
if you can make more videos we will be happy!
and one video of the "one turntable mode" of TS is needed...play both decks with only one turntable and one time coded vinyl.
Still would like to see TS and CDTTs. Seems as though this is conviently being avoided.
NI please put my fears to rest.
I've got a CDX so I'll be giving it a try.
Thank you sir!
My bros at ProDJForum will be very happy to hear about this. 8)
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"Thank you sir!
My bros at ProDJForum will be very happy to hear about this. "
http://www.prodjforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2851
They are?
Thanks for the plug...
Hey, looks like a really nice site so no thanks.
Does TS solve something concerning digital file sound quality ? I means, those "muddy" basses (too quiet comparing to the medium and high frequencies) that all my better tracks bought as WAV on beatport have ? Does TS do anything for this ?
I own SSL 1.7.2 beta and autogain feature is still unprecise and saturates several of my tracks, and don't do anything for the "basses". TS users... if you read my post...
Old vynil is not dead yet. I still buy them.
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