not a big deal. i heard that mk5g had some engine problems, and the mk5 and mk2 aren't very different. btw technics rulez!
(first! :P)
i am happy using my 1210Mk2 M3D
woah, didnt see that comming. All this time we thought it was the Mk5g
Well having asked the question and getting an official answer from the top marketing guy at Technics UK, I figure this is gospel. But I await some other Technics division to contradict this, as is the way of manufacturers with global divisions.
i knew the mk5's would get discontinued someday. mk2 forever, until i upgrade to a much better deck that is ^_^
why dont techs put st8 arms on their decks ????
i would love to go back to useing techs but since i have had vestax i cant seem to get on with the arms on 1200/1210s anymore. they just jump too much .
As much as I'd like an M5G, I second the MK2 for-f'in-ever . . I luh my MK2's.
Makes no sense to me. Why would an electronis giant (Matsushita) go back in time when they already have a refined model.
Same as Toyota saying, "We'll continue with the Lexus brand but discontinue the 2007 Corolla, and go back to the year 2000 versioin."
Nonsense IMO.
I like the Technics tone arms, they don't skip (in my case they don't). The motor just needs more horsepower (5kg torque) and a ±60% pitch and reverse. With the same built and quality Technics would be on top of the heap for another 30 years!
I'm sure there are good reasons why Technics didn't upgrade the 1210 in line with the rest of the market. There's always a payoff for increasing anything - reduced motor quality or unstable pitch accuracy could be the trade-off. But in this day and age, with turntable sales falling off dramatically (must do some research in this area), and Technics still probably selling the most, there's little financial sense or possible gain in making changes. The range rationalisation will be a money saving move, and possibly get people to step up a notch to own 5Gs.
vestax pdx 2300 mk 2 pro still kills a 1200 ^_^ any day but them 1200 mk 5g look really nice i wish my vestax had theat paint job
Very true on the technical side Giz, you nailed it!
You just got to let me dream ^_^
I never understood why folks would buy the MK2 when the could get the 3D or 5K, which are basically the same with some minor upgrades. Seems like each newer model would just replace the previous. Maybe people are drawn to the "classic" status of the MK2. Or maybe that it is slightly cheaper than the newer ones.
there was grey area before?
what does the mk5 do that the m5g doesn't do better? answer: nothing.
In response to Fuzzmatic, the MK2s don't have that annoying as shit on/off protector that makes it a pain to turn the damn thing on and off quickly. Older MK2s are also built heavier and are more stable. I also like having the pitch detent at zero, and the newer models don't have that.
was at Guitar center - looking at guitars of all things, and see a stack of mk5s on 'sale' for $400 (from $600)...
was wondering why... now i see
Stanton STR8-150 = Technics with 5kg torque, straight arm, 50% pitch, digital out, and reverse.
Why don't people ever realize this? They're good decks!
IMO, that's a bad move. They should keep the MK5. Ditch the MK2.
*scratches head*
The Mk II will sell and sell and sell. Many club style DJs won't use anything else (with good reason). Its truly a classic well engineered piece of equipment despite its age. I still love my Mk IIs (although use a variety of decks) and would not part with them. Remember that for the average non-turntablist the Mk II has everything they need with no extra fluff and an awesome track record for unbelievable roadworthiness. That's translates into ongoing sales that Panny will not want to screw with.
I heard the pitch slider on the MK5g feels diferent, never tried one. Got the Mk2's, still like new. The blue lights look cool but I wouldn't sell mine just to buy these.
Her Gizmo, maybe you can ask Technics if there any plans for an MK6 in the future?
Are all Technics turntables made in
?
yes they are.
i'll buy some mg5's later this year
I've got 1200's Mk2s and love their solid classic build.
Every time I have tried Vestax decks I found I could hardly touch the damn things without it skipping. I also find the straight tone arm can get in the way when scratching!
Also why would you want any more pitch adjust if you mix Hip-Hop? The vocal would not sound right...Fair enough for dance music!
Mk2 Original & Best
i find it funny that you say straight tonearms a) skip and b) get in the way...
they're engineered to skip less, and do so effectively...and the tonearms are shorter, covering less surface area.
also, i find additional pitch range most useful when mixing hiphop. hiphop tracks often range in tempo from 80 to 136bpm (i.e. west coast gangsta vs. miami bass)...by far a much wider range than you'd find in any other single genre. more pitchshift means more flexibility. it's true that the vocal tone can be stressed, but many modern tables with wide pitch range also offer keylock...sometimes it's useful. sometimes.
man at least put LED tracklight on the mk2
I'll stick with my 1210's for now (and for many years to come). Any word on replacement parts? That's the only thing I'd worry about when people discontinue something.
On 11.01.07, spelunk commented...
"In response to Fuzzmatic, the MK2s don't have that annoying as shit on/off protector that makes it a pain to turn the damn thing on and off quickly. Older MK2s are also built heavier and are more stable. I also like having the pitch detent at zero, and the newer models don't have that."
That's interesting to note. I thought the changes in the 3D were meant to address users' annoyance with accidentally turning the decks off with the older power switch and the detent that prevented smooth continuous action of the pich slider. This is the first time I've actually heard someone prefer those features.
Well when I saw the picture of the 1210MK5G being no longer made, I was like that was the last one made. Well damm I was hopeing it was since I could get some cheap then. Anyways the moter on all Technics are the same; on the other hand, the ones I geuss are 16% and haveing problems from what I heard from another post.
My self I want the Vestax PDX-2300 Pro MK2. It has 60% pitch and a killer reviers witch can go instently. I spin alot of techno basicly alot of beat matching and the Vestax has a bend joy stick, so you dont need to get your hands beatten up. Vestax has a screen that shows you what pitch your on, but it has a prossor in the turntable witch makes it (If i can rember right) 1/100 times fater to ajuest to the pitch you are moveing too! Best of yet I have found the turntable at $300. Way cheaper then the 1210MK5G that is only 16% pitch at $500
Technics is the company who was able to fail taking an idiot proof chance of market domination.
No pity.. may those dumb fools leave the Dj market. Nobody needs them anmore.
Holy crap! All the animosity towards Technics is wrong... they are the grandparents of our whole turntable industry
The 1200 MkII is STILL a fucking good piece of gear. Do other TTs have features that some may consider better? Sure. But I challenge you to name one other piece of equipment in this industry that is over 20 years old and still as good and highly regarded.
Mono: How have Technics failed? The reality is, the "niche" turntablist industry is but a small part of the DJ industry as a whole. Technics have straight up dominated the DJ markets for over two decades, and with bloody good reason. They are far from dumb fools
Fuzzmatic: I prefer the detent in the pitch fader. Its one of my gripes about any other turntable I have ever used. No detent = the badness for me. I also prefer the "exposed" power knob.
To all: If there is one piece of equipment that absolutely demands the respect of every DJ, it is the Technics 1200.
I hate people who jock Technics. :D
A battle-style set-up eliminates powerknob accidents, and I like it exposed, too. I've had 1210's since -99, and have accidently switched it off a grand total of two times.
> Well when I saw the picture of the 1210MK5G being no longer made, I was like that was the last one made. Well damm I was hopeing it was since I could get some cheap then. Anyways the moter on all Technics are the same; on the other hand, the ones I geuss are 16% and haveing problems from what I heard from another post.
eh?
> My self I want the Vestax PDX-2300 Pro MK2. It has 60% pitch and a killer reviers witch can go instently. I spin alot of techno basicly alot of beat matching and the Vestax has a bend joy stick, so you dont need to get your hands beatten up. Vestax has a screen that shows you what pitch your on, but it has a prossor in the turntable witch makes it (If i can rember right) 1/100 times fater to ajuest to the pitch you are moveing too! Best of yet I have found the turntable at $300. Way cheaper then the 1210MK5G that is only 16% pitch at $500
eh? nothing you said made any sense to me
still using mk2 technics 1 1200 and 1 1210 i prefer the feel over vestax, thats just a personal thing. its just technics have the quality down and the engineering. i have had a turntable that finally gave up and the motor went tits up and a few other bits but that was a deck that was 20 years old and had been used hard. never was serviced. i reckon 20 years is a fair enough time to expect it to last. when vestax tables have been around that long and they finally get the spec right and build quality i might consider it. for now the only vestax table i own is a handytrax.
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"[quote=Iron Monkey]How have Technics failed? The reality is, the "niche" turntablist industry is but a small part of the DJ industry as a whole. Technics have straight up dominated the DJ markets for over two decades, and with bloody good reason. They are far from dumb fools"
They are. I love my 12s like everyone does. But hey:
Technics had the luck that they had a marked dominating product
by accindent. They didnt really notice that until the mid 90ies. Old folks remember: in some years it was hella difficult to get a pair. This was beause traders had to order a full 40feet container in Japan - they didnt even have a proper distriution for their turntables back then.
The 12s we are using were constructed in the late 70ies. They never did a major update for the mainboard. Remember Dj Focus trying to do a 50% pitch mod? It was impossible with the current mainboard. Thats why they never made a turntable with more than 16% pitch. Because they didnt want to spend money for a new mainboard that allows a "modern" XXL range pitch. Thats why they are loosing ground in the scratch / hiphop market since 5 or more years.
IF THEY WOULD RELEASE A 12 WITH THE FEATURES OF A STUPID TT500 THIS WOULD END
Most people love the bullet proof qualitiy of Technics turntables. I would be the first one to throw my TT500 out of the window and get one. But they dont do it.
Stantons ST-150 / STR8-150 is a Technics with all the features the scratch market need. But its not made by Technics. WTF?
If you look into the mix-market its the same thing basically. Of course lotta people still buy 12s for techno mixing etc. But are there any products apart from that that are relevant? No.
So if you say "Technics minus the 12s" this company is more or less irrelevant in the Dj market. Coming from a position of having THE Dj turntable for 20 years this is a bad joke.
Thats why im saying such unfriendly words - sorry if i offended anyone.
uup, so many course :embarrest
i mean typing errors. fuckin copy & paste :embarrest :embarrest
Hey, I am not offended. I dig all the evolution that is going on in our industry, and sure, many decks have left the venerable Tech behind feature-wise. I also fully understand why peeps choose other decks over Techs
I also agree this is a lost opportunity for Panny, but I also assume that this was a conscious decision made internally and they know what they lost and weighed it against the pros/cons (perhaps that's too much credit though...).
I just don't think this means peeps can say Techs are shit, Panny are idiots, etc. No need to hate on them, because they truly don't deserve hate.
Had the same pair of 1200's since 1985! When they had unremovable silver 'Made in Japan' stickers on the front. That's all I need till they die, but they'll probably out live me.
Don't care about 60% pitch, reverse and turntables that can make me a sandwich.
i wonder when the dmcs will make the change to the mk5gs?
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"On 13.01.07, weapons commented...i wonder when the dmcs will make the change to the mk5gs?"
I wonder more when CD decks will be added.
And 40 posts in 3 days about a turntable that has done the job for so long I think is good going! It is like the grandfather of turntables that can still hold its own.
Not bad really for an old man in a new age!
If it is not broken... Why fix it!
I wouldn't worry about 1200's sticking around or not, check this out...
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Paper-turntable-screw-technics-1210_W0QQitemZ330071179209QQihZ014QQcategoryZ48460QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Technics are old news. The only reason they have stuck around this long is their name and the consumers inability to do their own homework. For the love of god, stop jocking.
technics
oh yeah, i'm jocking.
but seriously, reverse is, for me that is, a dumb feature. i seldom hear anything cool being done with it. last thing i remember would be Terror in dub by D-styles.
but it would be absolutely lovely to have 60% +/- pitch on a technics table.
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"[quote=DBM]And 40 posts in 3 days about a turntable that has done the job for so long I think is good going! It is like the grandfather of turntables that can still hold its own.
Not bad really for an old man in a new age!
If it is not broken... Why fix it!"
it CANT hold it down anymore. Everybody loves feel & quality of Technics, but nobody who does more than some vocal cuts and club mixing uses them anymore. The tonearm, the pitch, multiple start buttons, reverse - its a 20th century turntable, not a 21th one.
But maybe its just the same with Adidas Superstars: its ancient and its inconvenient, but the conservative part of the culture will still rock them in 400 years.
Perhaps for some it's a matter of classic style over function.
I can understand the thinking as I still wear shelltoes after 25 years (not the same pair though). They may not be the best thing for my feet when I'm out but comfortable enough. When I'm out at a show for example, I'm sure a proper pair of hiking boots would be a better idea, considering all the walking and stand I do.
But for DJing, it's function over style every time for me. I refuse to use something that doesn't give me the fullest options to do a job in the best possible way.
No one can disrespect technics no one.. why because they are the original they are the blueprint of turntables and you guys have to remember technics had no competition back then cause "THERE WAS NO COMPETITION". until like 10-15 years ago other companies have started growing and no one can really look down on technics products when it comes to djing. cause they only had one equipment out. unlike stanton,numark,vestax they have all kinds of products, Techs came out with mixers, how are they doing in the market? who is the king of that? Rane,Vestax etc.. My Point No one can diss Techs when it comes to tables and no one can judge TTX,PDX,STR8 yet cause they havent been around for 30 years yet you cannot compare that yet, But right now Technics is slowly losing the competition and if there motor on the m5g's cant handle the upgrades then that means a new revolution for techs and when techs come out with new ones and has a failure then techs are gonna look bad.
hey, might be a noob question but...whats the SL1200 Gold TT based on? MK5 or M5G? or MK2 or M3D
M5g
Does anyone know how much of the overall DJ market the turntablist/scratch DJ gear comprises? I remember a few years back that DJ products were really hot, and now the sales/interest seem to be waning. Is the overall market declining, but the scratch part of it on the rise?
I get the feeling that Technics is in a comfortable position and that the loss in market share to Vestax, Numark, Stanton etc. is not substantial enough to warrant an aggressive program of new product development, especially after missteps like their CD turntable (although on a surface level it was probably the best looking out there). With such a diehard fanbase, why pump more effort and money into risky new products? They have the history, reputation, classic status and exclusive DMC endorsement, which seems enough to keep them rolling along. On top of that Technics is only one division of a much larger company beyond the DJ realm.
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"I get the feeling that Technics is in a comfortable position and that the loss in market share to Vestax, Numark, Stanton etc. is not substantial enough to warrant an aggressive program of new product development, especially after missteps like their CD turntable (although on a surface level it was probably the best looking out there). With such a diehard fanbase, why pump more effort and money into risky new products? They have the history, reputation, classic status and exclusive DMC endorsement, which seems enough to keep them rolling along. On top of that Technics is only one division of a much larger company beyond the DJ realm."
I dont have any numbers - but when looking at the "post a pic on your setup" sections Technics arent as big as they have been.
imo the true reason why they dont do any reasonable update is that the know what you said and they just want to milk the cash cow until its over... i guess they dont believe in the future of vinyl.
I have been using my SL1210's since 1998 and still they run fine. I have tweaked the hell out of them with "Vinyl Touch" Reverse module and blue leds for strobe and pitch control. The reverse module is very handy and you can do sick tricks with it if you are a turntablist. beatjugglin' in reverse mode or basic scratches in reverse mode. Too bad
www.mixmachines.com does not excist anymore, the makers of those vinyl touch modules. Any way Technics "still" for life. Probably they will be the top brand untill the day there are better digital options. <--- Maybe in about 30 years
The only things I want to see is a standard reverse option when double clicking the start button like I do now and the same tonearm base but than with a straight tonearm with a 23 degrees offset. So not the usual straight arm or the "S"-type arm but the tonearms like Rega has got them.. Best of both worlds like less skipping and better sound.
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"No one can disrespect Technics no one"
Why do people get like this anytime someone even begins to criticize Technics?
It's like in politics when people jump on you for even suggesting the other point of view. Seems kind of 15th century if you ask me.
Autodactyl - I dont even use Technics i have a TTX all i was saying about no can diss Techs is the fact that Techs is the original Dj table. there are others better but still techs is a big part of history,
Autodactyl, why do you HATE technics turntables?
I am just curious.
Hate the people who blindly front them, but there's no logical point in hating a historical piece of equipment in the industry. What do you spin with, ipods?
Just to let you guys know, that we have been busy working on new projects at Ebsel making your dj life much easier. Our engineer Pallet has come up with some simple mods for the Technics 1200-1210 ranges which will provide much more flexibility for existing users ala mark5's.
Very much like the Mix Machines mods but with much more flexibility allowing users to turn their mark2's into mark 5g's. Check this space for more news in the next few months.
It's just funny how everyone wigs out for criticizing a turntable that has been left in the dust by it's own company.
There is absolutely no reason, or excuse, for why Technics (i.e. Panasonic) can't do something new. And if you think they're fine the way they are, then you obviously know very little about DJ equipment.
The worst part is they charge a whole sh*t load of cash for something that has not been improved upon or updated in who knows how long.
Solo, I don't even own an ipod. I spin off Stanton STR-150s. :P
Ok, history time. First off, to all the folks that talk about the 1200mk2 being a hi-fi turntable....it wasn't. It wasn't a DJ turntable either. It was originally designed to be used as a professional Karaoke player. Early KJ's in Japan needed the ability to quickly adjust up/down one semitone, and hence the slide pitch of 8%. The 1200 has never been much of a money maker for Panasonic, believe it or not, mostly because the tooling is so expensive and has been re-done way too many times to count. It has not been a loser, but they did it right and it shows.
People talk about the modern improvements of other tables, and while they have stronger motors or more features, keep in mind that the metal on them is a face plate, not a solid top piece. The rubber bottom pieces on the 90% of them is rubberized plastic. This reduces tooling and material costs a HUGE amount. Not only that, but the motors themselves have much higher Wow&Flutter rates (fun fact, Kim from Custom records (check the review that I did) actually recently rejected a table mentioned heavily here for use as a replacement for his Technics motor in his lathe because it's Wow&Flutter were unacceptable in real world testing). The SLDZ1200 made sense to introduce because really it isn't that expensive to make. The motor R&D was done, and the shell itself is quite simple in comparison, while introducing a replacement for the 1200mk2 that goes beyond what the original hardware was capable of would not be possible without either raising the price an obscene amount or reducing build quality.
Now I want you to all step back and ask yourself something-when do you actually use the bells and whistles on your tables? Reverse? I can count the number of times on one hand. 50%? I use the 20% setting on my tables once a month maybe mixing, and I doubt that you are all doing Ricci-like compositions that demand above 8%. Key Correction? Please, there is not one turntable on the planet with Key Correct that is decent. While I'm not saying that the 1200mk2 is the end all, be all, I will say that when you compare the overall build quality and dependability of a 1200 VS the supposed feature benefits, you might think twice about saying the 1200 sucks.
ProfBX
P.S.-In the interest of complete disclosure, since I moved to NJ I have been using Gemini TT04's, so I am also capable of realizing that modern tables can be pretty cool to. 8)
I said this on the Serato board---
whatever baby,
You are wrong about what I want in a turntable.
Reverse: thought about adding it to my Techs but decided not, because I really dont think I would use it. Especially having SSL.
Torque: I really dont need anymore because everytime I press start and then touch the tables they are already up to speed. I just dont do any tricks or remote starts. I wouldnt want less, but it is fine where it is at for me.
Click: I use the click often, and would never consider removing it. And it annoys me to ne end when I use them Techs that use the push button instead of the click. ha, I dont even know why you bring up a click because there already is a Tech without a click.
Pitch range: Ive never wanted more. When I play I rarely if ever go beyond -2 to +6. Now way back when I got my first sampler and didnt have shit for ram, I would set it at 45 and pitch it up when sampling to save memory. Uh needless to say that would be pretty stupid now a day.
Braking: Ive thought of a switch that would adjust the breaking, even considered adding one myself. But then I realised that it would just be set on full breaking all the time anyway, there is no reason that I would want it to break softer. I opened them up and adjusted it. And if I do want a supper slow break, I just cut the power, what I have been doing forever. And would still do even with a break adjustment.
Also:
Cables: yes I wish there were more robust rcas. I did replace mine with some nice thick gold joints. I dont remember ever coming across any audio equipment with anything other then the standard. And if I really wanted there is a Tech with female rcas, so.
Pop Up Light: Yes a longer lasting pop up light would be good. I did replace mine with blue leds. And yes again there are modals with longer lasting lights.
Digital Outs: That was the closest Ive ever come to buying something other then a Tech, I wanted a digital out to bypass the mixer. But I decided against because I didnt want to be stuck with that A/D, and decided to keep it modular, glad I did...
Feedback: Ive always wanted some modifications, I dont know what to specificaly target the feedback bass frequencies. But now I have SSL anyway.
Straight Arm: eh, the S arm is fine with me. Ive never really tried a straight arm so I dont know about that. I could get a mod for it.
45/33/78: Well I dont remember having any 78s and there is a Tech that plays 78s
Does the list go on?
I cant really think of anything else, what should I be looking at?
And on top of that I still have two sets of decks, when one fails (whatever year that is) I have another set siting right there in their own flight cases and everything. So when the time comes, if Im not dumb, blind and crazy, I will try to remember back to this thread to inspire myself to take a look at something else.
Well that is of course unless anyone can point out some table that has something on it that will make me say "oooh gotta have that! just gotta shell out another grand on those babes"
Finally some like minded people. Respect Professorbx & akiem!
It's the Stanton 150 something for me.
The Technics turntables lack the torque that I need.
When releasing the record the motor of the technics has to power up again, even if you have a very light touch, this leads to the notes you want to play being out of tune. I use the turntables for musical performances and not for mixing only, that's why playing in the right key consistantly is vital.
Anyway, Technics is tops, it beats every deck, it just needs extra torque and pitch. Nothing beats a Technics tone-arm and construction IMHO.
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"It's the Stanton 150 something for me."
Is it as good as it looks? Im looking for a Technics with 50% pitch and a stronger motor. plate, chassis etc have to be the same tough.
Honestly the debate will never end. technology will always change your gonna back the decks you got. Techs,TTX,Vestax etc.. but honestly though technics knows they need to step up. if they didnt they wouldnt need to add the better tone arm & the extra pitch i know it was a celebration turntable but honestly i think the gold twelves should have been the celebration decks.
I hope Audio Technica still sells their "near copy" of the 1200.
sorry, what's a Technics again? :p
Seriously, as probably one of the only DJ dealers in the UK who buy their stock direct off Panasonic, I can tell you that these decks will not be around for too much longer! There will almost certainly NOT be any new versions coming out either.
I don't even think any of the other brands have released a new turntable in the last year and none are due to!
I'm not even going down the vinyl v digital road, for scratching you will always want to use a turntable, but really, how much more can you develop a motor, pitch control and a tone arm??
I concur!!!
I tested with other tables but my understanding Technics stood out for me of what I do. I wish they did some minor adjustments such as Torque and pitch likes of Vestax, Numark and Stanton. I have a pair of 1200M3D and Rane TTM 56 and preferred Technics overall but my next second choice would be Numarks cause it has more options so that would be my obvious other choice.
Not shock they discontinued MK5 and MK2, they always try to improve on the 1200 so it is a given fact. I do like the 1200MK5G and it looks nice, has the silver technics headshell which looks dope and change the pitch from 8 to 16 but I would not drop a chunk of change on the MK5G that's just me unless my tables give up then I have no choice.
"Turntables are never coming out again!" couldn't be any more wrong.
The Vestax PDX2000MKIII is coming out, Gemini is also doing some serious R&D, Numark X2, etc
TURNTABLES ARE THE WAY OF THE FUTURE! :D
:D
Yeah you should all get KAM DDX 750's like me.
*aaaargh* I WAS JOKING leave me ALONE
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"In this case, less choice is better. Now you can make a very clear decision about which Technics to buy. Well that's my opinion anyway."
I agree, but they should have discontinued the MK2 and left the MK5 and the MK5G. What's the point of improving on a deck and ironing out a couple of flaws, only to discontinue it (not that I'd buy any Technics turntable anyway)?
I started off with gemini pt2100, with about 2,5 torque, compared to technics 1,5. When it came to uprading, i found out that i felt much more comfortable on the ttx than the 1200's. Actually the problem with the geminis is the plastic feel and no real dampening of bass thumps transferred through the poorly constructed chassis. My geminis still work today, and i won't be surprised to see Gemini taking over the turntable market. their solutions all the time seems to b focused on developing and trying to keep prices down. I've not layed my hands on the tt04 but if somebody has compared it to the 1200's, would you please foward a report that is not biased?
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"Its so easy....who knows a better pitch than technics??? "
Very very true. That probably doesn't matter all that much for scratching, but it's key for beat-matching, most especially if you're using more than 2 decks. Tried all the other DJ-oriented tables out there, nothing comes close. CDJs are still a very, very long way from this and will never surpass this precision, should they stick with the stupid idea of a single fader pitch control. Oh, and there's one other thing... The strobe light on the platter. Makes beat-matching soooooooo much faster than the initial guesswork the rest of the tables take. Good thing they kept it in the DZs, too bad just about everything else to it sucks.
Like someone said before, and I agree, I'm pretty happy to see a turntable post get so many replies in this day and age, when everything is MIDI controllers and digital interfaces. I could be wrong (and I don't think I am), but I guess the day Vinyl dies will be the day they stop making 12hundreds.
ok here's my complaint about the 1210M5G I bought my pair last year 2006 and I have to say they do have a problem with the pitch. And I explain myself clearly so you all don't think I don't know what I'm talking about. I've been using my original SL1200MKII since 1984 and still working but when I saw the M5G's I had to get them for the looks I guess. But I did noticed there is a problem with the pitch it seems that on the M5G's it's struggling to stay LOCKED IN SPEED when in 0% pitch. I don't see that happening on my original 1200MKII that I bought back in 1984. when I compared the 1200MKII to the M5G's, there is a problem with the platter if any of you guys have the M5G's look at the strobe that hits the platter and you'll see what I mean. it's like it's moving back and forth fighting to stay locked in speed when in 0% pitch control. THIS DEOS NOT HAPPEN ON MY 1200MKII.
I sure wish Technics could fix this problem if they are not aware of it, or are they?
i guess it does clear up having to choose between the each model
I never really saw a difference between Mk5 and MK2...but as long as they keep the affordable and reliable MK2, then i'm glad :D
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PRICE LIST:
Hercules DJ Console MK2 Dual Deck DJ Mixer .....$300
Urei 1605 DJ Club Mixer...............$700
Urei 1601 Digital Scratch Mixer.........$320
Vestax PMC-05PROIII DJ Mixer.....$500
Vestax PMC-500 DJ Mixer.......$1100
Vestax PMC-05PROSL DJ Mixer with Sampling.....$450
Vestax PMC-06 Pro A 2 Channel DJ Scratch Mixer......$300
Vestax VCI-100 Tabletop DJ MIDI Controller ..........$350
Vestax PMC-08Pro Professional Hybrid Digital Mixer.....$550
Vestax PMC-05PROSL DJ Mixer with Sampling.....$400
Korg ZERO4 Live Control Mixer ........$600
Korg ZERO8 Live Control Console Mixer.$900
Korg KM-202 2-Channel KAOSS DJ Mixer........$200
Numark CDX Direct-Drive CD Turntable......$500
Numark TTX Direct-Drive Turntable............$300
Numark X2 Pro Hybrid Turntable And CD / MP3 Player.....$700
Numark DVD01 Dual DVD Player.........$400
Numark 5000FX 12" 5-Channel Tabletop Mixer ....$400
Numark DXM09 Digital DJ Mixer...$350
Numark AVM02 Audio/Video Mixer with Effects ......$700
Numark CM200USB 5-Channel 19" Rackmount DJ Mixer.......$300
Numark DXM06 2-Channel Digital Mixer....$350
Numark iDJ 2 DJ Console for the iPOD ...........$540
Numark NuVJ Video Mixer .....................$200
Numark CM100 Club Series DJ Mixer....$250
Denon DN-X900 Professional 19" Analog/Digital Mixer.....$300
Denon DN-X500 Professional 19" Mixer ...$250
Denon DN-X100 Professional 2-Channel DJ Mixer......$150
Denon DN-S5000 Tabletop DJ CD Player...$400
Denon DN-D9000 Dual Pro CD Player.....$700
Denon DN-D4500 Dual CD/MP3 Player....$300
Denon DN-S3000 Table Top DJ CD Player Refurb......$200
Denon DN-D6000 Dual CD MP3 Player Refurb..........$300
Denon DN-D6000 Dual CD MP3 Player...................$400
Denon DN-HD2500 Hard Disk Media Player/Controller...$400
Denon DN-X900 Professional 19" Analog/Digital Mixer.....$350
2x CDJ 1000MK3 + 1 DJM 800 DJ PACKAGE.......$2,000
Pioneer CMX-3000 Dual Rackmount CD Player..........$600
Pioneer DJM-400 Mixer .....$400
Pioneer DJM-800 Mixer......$700
Pioneer DJM-600 mixer.....$500
Pioneer DJM-600K mixer....$500
Pioneer EFX-1000 Performance Effector Digital Effects Processor..$650
Pioneer DJM-500 mixer.....$450
Pioneer DJM-300 mixer....$350
Pioneer DJM-3000 mixer...$500
Pioneer DJM-707 mixer....$400
PIONEER DJM-700-S Mixer..$700
Pioneer DJM-909 mixer....$800
Pioneer EFX-500 mixer....$350
Pioneer CDJ-800MK2.......$700
Pioneer CDJ-400 Turntable....$430
Pioneer DJM-400 Mixer.....$530
Pioneer CDJ-1000MK2.....$450
Pioneer CDJ-1000MK3.....$600
Pioneer CDJ-200 Pro CD Player......$230
Pioneer DVJ-X1 DJ Video Player........$1000
PIONEER SVM-1000 PRO AUDIO/VIDEO DJ MIXER.....$2700
Pioneer CDJ-800MK2 Professional CD/MP3 Turntable.....$450
Pioneer DVJ-1000 Professional DVD Turntable....$1000
Mackie d.2 2-Channel DJ Mixer ......$300
PCDJ DAC-3 Digital Audio Controller..........$300
American Audio Q-Spand PRO 4-Channel DJ Mixer......$200
Sampler
Akai MPC1000 Music Production Center....................$500
Akai MPC4000-Plus - 64 Voice Sampling Drum Machine.........$1800
Akai Akai MPC2500 Music Production Center..............$1000
Akai MPC2000XL-MCD Production Station................$800
Akai MPC500 MIDI Production System/Sampler.........$250
Allen & Heath Xone:92 Fader DJ Mixer...........$1000
Allen & Heath Xone:464 16 Input Pro Club DJ Mixer......$1100
Allen & Heath Xone 4D...........$1300
Allen & Heath Xone2 Battle Mixer.........$280
Allen & Heath Xone:62 Fader DJ Mixer.....$700
Rane MP 4 Rackmount DJ Mixer......$300
Rane MP44 DJ Club Mixer.................$1000
Rane Empath Touring/Club Mixer..........$700
Rane MP 2016a 6-Channel Rotary Mixer.....$800
Rane TTM 57SL Performance Mixer with Serato Scratch......$700
Rane TTM 56 Performance Mixer...................$500
Rane MP 4 Rackmount DJ Mixer......$300
Stanton M.505 12" Club Mixer with 5 InputChannels......$300
Stanton CM.205 CD / MP3 Player with Mixer .......$250
Behringer BCD2000 B-Control Deejay.........$150
Behringer Refurbished VMX1000 Pro DJ Mixer ........$200
Behringer DJX700 5-Channel Pro DJ Mixer ....$130
As long as ppl use Traktor, Serato, Decadance or Ms. Pinky Technics should not quit making at least one "DJ" turntable imo.
I prefer the 3D's as a house DJ because of the lack of the zeroing out spot although I feel the switch is needless because you can get it pretty close to zero on your own and who (that is as far as DJ's go) needs to play records @ zero most of the time anyways? As far as Turntablism goes I can understand why you want that there since it makes an easy spot to stop the fader for pitch tricks. I would like +/- 16 @ times but not more because it would be too hard to get 2 tracks locked in for a long mix then. As far as having a straight tonearm on your Technics here -
http://www.turntabletech.com/pickup.htm
Ohalso if I'm gonna play a record backwards I'm gonna flip my cartridge upside-down and play the underside off of cardboard center from a roll of duct tape.
P.S. Autodactyl "Technics are old news. The only reason they have stuck around this long is their name and the consumers inability to do their own homework. For the love of god, stop jocking."
Have you ever owned a pair of Technics? I owned a Stanton Mixer for 2 days and the crossfader broke quality products there huh? Also I've played on Vestax, Stanton's and Gemini's and I still would pay $400 per deck for Technics new before I'd even think about buying any other companies decks.
IMPORTANT NOTE
This story is 3 years old. Don't use it to support the current unsubstantiated rumours.
circle of life. only the strong survive. nuff said.
@ Gizmo
Sorry to ask but I'm really panicked about this rumor and I'm not sure where your update ends
.
Now can you tell clearly: what is discontinued and what is not?
Well... GuitarCenter.com and MusicianFriend.com are no longer going to be stocking Technics. They were discounted this month and are now gone... PSSL.com has some in stock but for MUCH higher price than normal... They're disappearing. Trust me, I've been trying to buy a pair.
Must be where you are, they still carry them at guitar cenyer in my area because I am the one that comes and does demos on them for everyone. That and everything else in the electronics area. And mateo... you can always get em on ebay. Ive bought 6 decks on ebay each for 200 or less, Ive retorqued most of em, removed the ground wire, and done the LED upgrade in all my Tech 12's.
Hi all @ Skratchlounge
For anyone interested, a brand new Technics plug-and-play reversing / reverse module, will be available from 3rd April 2010.
http://www.4thstateaudio.co.uk
http://www.4thstateaudio.com
It is suitable for all Technics SL-1210 & SL-1200 variants of decks / turntables : MK2's / MK3's/ MK4's and MK5's
The revTech 1200 can be installed in minutes - no special tools nor soldering required. Produces visual and audio cues of the direction selected to the DJ (LED's and Sound).
Price TBA - launch date 3rd April 2010
First 'tounge-in-cheek' video review here, by Jonathan Lewis AKA
ellaskins / of
www.DJtutor.com fame :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4EpyUZItrQ
URL's again :
http://www.4thstateaudio.co.uk
http://www.4thstateaudio.com
Who gives a crap. And don't pay ridiculous prices for gear because of this. specially not to that davey Phag at astro's. Stop cluttering craiglist a-hole!
On January 10, 2007, dj_bary commented...
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