What will happen to the CDJ 400 then? If the CDJ 350 is slightly more expensive at £579 (a lot for an entry player in my opinion) then consumers are going to have the dilemma of whether they need the RekordBox software/BPM lock of the 350, or the effects of the 400.

As a 400 owner, I'm not happy that there is no planned RekordBox for the 400- if they don't plan on having all the players using the same software then simply discontinue those models like the 400. Is there any hardware reason/software reason why the 400 can't be updated to work with Rekordbox?

The CDJ400 / DJM400 are being discontinued. The 350 range is the replacement.

"The CDJ400 / DJM400 are being discontinued. The 350 range is the replacement."

is this confirmed by Pioneer?

You'll get a different response depending on the region. The UK discontinued the 1000, yet the US say its still current. Logic tells me that Pioneer are putting everything on rekordbox so any non rekordbox units will bite the big one soon enough, especially with the indication that 2010 will be a very busy year for Pioneer.

he doesn't need the pitchfader,locked...

in other words,any noob can dj nowadays.

It would make sense to discontinue the 400, although I personally can't see why Pioneer cannot update the 400 to run Rekordbox. Is the 350 really that different bar the waveform display and the beat indicator?

My biggest issue is that I really can't see the appeal of the CDJ-350 to anyone. The Denon DN-S3700 is a much more well-equipped player, and apart from BPM lock it's got a lot more going for it than Pioneer. (Denon have their own Music Manager software for waveform creation and auto BPM.)

So why would I be inclined to pay $850 for a CDJ-350 when I can pay $899 for the DN-S3700? To my eyes, the CDJ-350 should be priced more along the lines of Denon's DN-S1200; about $499.

The DJM-350 seems like one step backward. The USB function is cool, but, the effects and BPM counter in the 400 were pretty great. This doesn't even have a delay effect.
Delay is probably the most important effect a DJ could have.

"in other words,any noob can dj nowadays."

oh, come on... djing > beatmatching.

Am I the only one who hates the way the jog wheels look? I'm sure they feel great and all, but they don't look very "Pioneer" to me. They look cheap.

If Pioneer really wanted to impress, they'd have made them just like the CDJ-900/2000's jog wheels... and they'd spin physically like Numark's NS7 and V7.

So close... yet so far.

Both the cdj350 and djm 400 ar shittty products and overpriced.. The V7, NDX800, DN-S1200, DN-S3700 are all better alternatives for the cdj 350. The djm350 hahahah. what a crappy mixer. There are at least 10 better mixers in that price range. (bang for bucks)... The cdj 800 and now 900 for me is the best player from pioneer. But don't worry denon comes with at least 1 new player (dns5700). and i till than i will upgrade my booth with either v7, dns3700, cdj 900 or ndx 800 but not this shitty products

I think they sound like great starter products :roll : , they teach beatmatching and bar matching concepts, but yes the pricing strategy is dirty :puke : . you are though effectively getting a DVS type system with it through rekordbox. I would love these new products but the pricing is tough and out of the starter djs budget range. guess ill be buying serato/traktor instead.

Hopefully suppliers ignore this pioneer msrp and we see something more competitive ala the cdj400! I got pretty excited when i read about this on skratchworx, so fingers crossed on the actual release price.

Dan

Sorry, £579 was a slip of the toungue, the UK SRP will be £529 (not £579) inc VAT for the CDJ 350.

£529 is still a lot of money for an entry level player, I also don't see Pioneer shifting many of the mixers given that Numark do similar USB mixers for half the price.

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"...the CDJ-350 should be priced more along the lines of Denon's DN-S1200; about $499."

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Guys guys... Pioneer is an aspirational brand. Of course there are others units out there a lot cheaper - like way way cheaper. But Pioneer is an established club standard with a name that people trust. You could pick up a set of Citronic or Geminis for a fraction of the price - but regardless of cost, you know you'd really rather have Pioneer.

@Marshy > The street price won't be $850, so you're pitting it against the wrong competition.

@Kirk > Even though the effects are removed, it's still better for a beginner DJ to learn the base skills rather than effects, and to have the ability to record his/her sets will be a better learning tool than a delay effect.

@22 > Spinning? What does a vinyl record do when you put your hand down on it ... it stops. For the majority of non-turntablists, the jog needn't rotate.

@Marco > While you may consider it "shitty", to another DJ this may be a perfect setup. Don't knock it just because it's not right for you.

@Ed > SRP ... suggested retail price, that's not the street price.

@ Pulse

I would not have knocked it off if it was like max 400 euro's. but 600 euro's for this cdj is way to much for its features, brand, etc. and about the mixer i aint even gonna say a thing. why pay 600 euro's if there is so much better in that price range. I have pioneer decks to, and i love them. But the cdj 200, 400 and now the 350 are overpriced and crappy players. I have used the cdj 400 for a while and it is shitty.

" Pioneer is an established club standard with a name that people trust. You could pick up a set of Citronic or Geminis for a fraction of the price - but regardless of cost, you know you'd really rather have Pioneer."

Citronic, Gemini ... wrong examples. Talk about real challengers like Denon. And because it's well established you accept those prices ?
Pioneer is in quasi monopole. And it's NEVER good for customers.
Pioneer make very good products but I don't loose my mind. I compare with other products and I make point about my needs. Someone will really need Pioneer products other will need Denon products.
Don't follow the others like sheeps use your brain.

@Gizmo

How come you compare Pio decks to Gemini/Citronic? Very bad examples. Why don't you compare it to Denon decks or at least with numark, especially with their new flagship decks V7? For about the same price, I'd rather get V7 over CDJ350 anyday

Before you all jump down my throat, I'm not for a moment saying that budget brands are as good as Pioneer. Please allow me to explain what I mean.

A Citronic SMFX-200 mixer costs £159, and with a a pair of Citronic MPCD-X3s, the total is £860. For this you get a very highly featured setup, that if you compare specs with the Pioneer holds up really well, and in some cases exceeds what you get from the 350s. But for £1493, you get the Pioneer mark of quality, as well as the rekordbox advantage too.

But which one do you really want? That's what I'm talking about - not comparing the quality as such - more about the value for money.

Key to this is the perception of value. Regardless of how much tech is shovelled into a budget box, the assumption is that it's probably crap and not worth spending any money on. But top shelf brands can put on a hefty price tag with a lesser spec for a reason. Technics for example have the lowest torque, the narrowest pitch and the least set of features - yet people still flock to them with no questioning of the outrageous price tag. At least Pioneer are actually offering something for the money, and that's a new way of working combined with the quality you expect from them.

So I'm not directly comparing budget brands with Pioneer per se, just simply underlining that price doesn't necessarily have a bearing on features or vice versa.

And for the record - the V7 is an equally bad if not worse example. Without a computer, it's a very large and good looking paperweight, but essentially useless.

@ Pulse

And what does a vinyl record do when you take your hand back off of it... it spins... and looks cool... and just seems right.

Trust me, the moment Pioneer makes a CDJ with a Numark-style mechanically rotating jog wheel, people will go completely bat-sh*t insane with glee.

"And for the record - the V7 is an equally bad if not worse example. Without a computer, it's a very large and good looking paperweight, but essentially useless"

Maybe V7 is bad example, but I beleive, 90% of people that will buy this deck will use it to control DJ Software. So that's why I made the comparison as a DJ Controller.

"But which one do you really want? That's what I'm talking about - not comparing the quality as such - more about the value for money"

Ok, how about this, you can get Denon DN-S3700 for 700-750 dollars and it's about the same price with CDJ350. Which one would you choose, if you're totally noob and don't understand anything about dj equipment?

@Marco - The SUGGESTED RETAIL PRICE of the CDJ350 is 529 Euros. That's historically 20% above street pricing, so you will likely see it ACTUALLY retail for around 425 Euros, just above where you'd expect it to be.

@22 - Looking cool is exactly what DJs need. As if it's not enough to be standing behind what looks like cockpit instrumentation already! lol "THEY'S SPINNIN'!"

not impressed. but then this wasn't a product Pioneer intended to impress users like myself...it's more rather for the novice DJ. however, at such a high price point i would NEVER recommend this to any up and coming DJ who asked my opinion.

that being said, i have come across many aspiring DJs lately who are determined to purchase only "the best"...sadly, it's these same people who never listen to instruction (imagine dudes tweaking knobs like mad while the beats are walking off...or some kid who does nothing but scribbles while wiggling the crossfader wildly, yet never actually crossing the cut point).

if another wannabe DJ comes my way with too much concern for aesthetics and none for actual music performance i swear i will forcibly kick him/her out my house and down the back stairs.

Cheapest I have seen this on pre-order in the UK is £527, unfortunately as per normal us in Britain have to pay a premium for gear.

@ Pulse.

The cdj350 is selling for 599 euros in holland, germany etc. so what the fuck are talking about.

What would the price be in US dollars? I am a beginning DJ in my 40's. I always wanted to make my own sets. I would love to get these though. I am not into effects and such anyway. And just got a new lappy too. Plus since they just came out they will be around for years to come enough time to save up and get the whole set.

@Reedy - From the US press release:

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"The CDJ-350 and DJM-350 will be available in June 2010 with a suggested retail price (MSRP) of $850 and $750, respectively."

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Again, historically, the street price is around 20% lower than MSRP.

So there are 20 other mixers around the £450 mark, built to last and midi? I don't think so some how.

The DJM-350 looks like a good buy for a midi mixer, even if the CDJ-350's are not (at that price, compared with the Denon DNS-3700'd priced only slightly more).

Thanks for the info @Pulse

@Tyler > Unfortunately it's only the players with MIDI; the mixer doesn't have a USB / MIDI connection.

'A lot of dj's, if they can't beatmatch straight away, they give up. So we're making that easier'

Don't buy decks then use itunes auto cross-fade.

I don't think the 350 deck has the INSTANT REVERSE feature. Am I right or wrong? If it does have this feature, how does it work on the 350?

I have heard rumors that cdj 400 will be discontinued..can anybody confirm this..

My understanding is that they are not going to discontinue the CDJ 400s for now. They may even launch the CDJ 400 MK2 sometime in the future which will incorporate REKIORDBOX like the 350s.

As for INSTANT REVERSE, I don't think the CDJ 350s have this feature. Tell me, is it really important to have this feature? Do any of you really use it?

DJ DINO