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Pioneer - Darwinian fanboys
Posted by Gizmo on September 19, 2009

pioneer cdj-2000 cdj-900 launch

48 hours after the dawn of the news species, I've had some time to break through the sexy images, Youtube vids and PR ridden with bold claims, to take a cold realistic look at what the new CDJ-2000 and 900 offer - other than being shiny pretty things that empty wallets. And being treated to a presentation at the Ministry of Sound, I'm now a hell of a lot clearer on what Pioneer are trying to achieve with this release. And it's much less about the hardware and a whole lot more about the whole DJ workflow. Look past the actual PR and see the bigger picture - it's a bold move for sure.

pioneer cdj-2000 cdj-900 launch

Firstly, in this industry, Pioneer shall henceforth be known as Pioneer DJ. There's a new logo (well tagging DJ on the end) which sets them apart from the rest of their empire. I suspect this is so that the Pioneer mothership can have tighter analysis on the various divisions within divisions. But welcome Pioneer DJ.

So let's see what we have at the end of a month long "dawn of a new species" teaser campaign. Having read 48 hours worth of skratchworx comments as well as lengthy threads elsewhere, the general vibe is as expected - it's not much of a change and it's ridiculously expensive. One one level, this is quite true, but after watching the presentation on Thursday night, I have a much better idea of just where they're coming from with this release.

While the actual release appears to be about new CDJs, for me it's much more about revolutionising the way DJs work with digital music - the workflow from downloaded music to the dancefloor. Obviously, there are different systems in booths - vinyl, DVS systems, MIDI controllers and of course CD decks. What Pioneer seem to want to do is create an entirely new infrastructure - based on their hardware and software - that enables DJs to turn up as a gig with a single USB key, plug in and rock the crowd. Paraphrasing an established catchphrase with DJ speak, Pioneer DJ want you to "rinse and go". And despite them tipping their cap and playing nice in the software/DVS direction with MIDI HID, the new Pioneer Dj message is that they want to eliminate laptops, vinyl, media and the associated crap that you stuff into your DJ luggage and enable you to play wherever you like - as long as it's on Pioneer gear of course.

pioneer cdj-2000 cdj-900 launch

The backend of this is rekordbox. Created by Mixvibes, it's seems to work in the same way as Denon's Music Manager. You create waveforms, add cues, hot cues, loops, analyse BPM and finally gather your music into handy playlists. Once done, you offload this to USB media and you're done. This is however a 2 way street, as set history is written back to USB and can be viewed in rekordbox. So as much as it hurts Pio fanboys, I feel you owe Denon a huge debt of gratitude for the basic idea.

Like all the other systems that use offline music management (shock horror - it already exists in Denon, Numark and Cortex units), the success or failure of the systems will largely be down to how you organise your music inside rekordbox. Pioneer can only provide so much in the way of help. If you choose to have your music as tag-free WAVs in a single folder, then it's entirely your fault if you find it doesn't work well for you. This new way will if anything make you more organized.

pioneer cdj-2000 cdj-900 launch

But that is the easy bit. Anyone can write software to manage music. But how to you use the music in the club? Well on existing gear you don't, hence needing new hardware to make using your music a lot easier. So the new CDJs have an infrastructure that enables sharing your music across up to 4 CDJs. The CDJ-2000 and CDJ-900 come complete with USB ports and LAN ports too. At the most basic level, you can plug a single USB device (no hubs so no multiple devices) into one CDJ and share it between 2 devices. But you can have different USB devices in different CDJs and share them between each other via a regular network router.

So having established that one device can be used on 4 different CDJs, it then becomes a matter of how easily you can actually use your music from with the belly of the CDJ beast. Pioneer DJ have added a huge 6" telly screen to the CDJs in a bid to give you the maximum legibility. By maximum legibility, I mean 6 lines of track selection, a heap of fancy graphics and a much improved waveform - essentially half a DVS squished into a still small screen. Yes, it's quite doable, but a laptop screen is a lot easier to use in this respect.

pioneer cdj-2000 cdj-900 launch

So in principle, this is a really good idea and a very brave move on Pioneer DJ's part. Having persuaded the DJ world that vinyl is for fossils and CD is the new way, they're now saying that CD is soooo last year (decade actually) and that their new way is in fact the one true DJ way to the exclusion of all others. They just want to make life easy for DJs, clubs and engineers and make a really slick workflow that emphasises performance rather than technical prowess in setting up gear. And regardless of your opinion of Pioneer and CDJs, I'm pretty sure that every working DJ would be so much happier if all they had to take with them to a gig was a USB key.

But there is however one tiny issue that Pioneer DJ need to think about - there's an absolutely humungous number of DJs that love the living crap out of vinyl and always will. CDJs came along and despite their wonderfulness, they weren't adopted by everyone. And those people stuck with vinyl and eventually moved to DVS when they were happy with the abilities of said systems. So despite whatever digital magic Pioneer DJ come up with, DVS users will never give up vinyl.

pioneer cdj-2000 cdj-900 launch

But I'm not too sure that Pioneer DJ are too bothered. To me, this is about entirely sewing up the high end club market - the real top end of the DJ evolutionary ladder. So it won't really matter if you use CDJs or not - if you want to play at a club using their gear, it's increasingly likely that you HAVE to use CDJs. And if the clubs run lemming like towards the new CDJs and this new way of working, this will become the new standard in a short space of time. Once the club owners and engineers see the benefits of the new CDJs, I imagine that they'll pretty much insist on their DJs adopting the new way. Adapt or die - it's natural selection after all. And simply from a marketing perspective, it's much easier to sell a cheaper Merc than a more expensive Yugo. Pioneer want to start at the top and work down.

So as you can see, this wasn't so much about adding bells and whistles to the existing models, but much more about moving forward into the new age. Let's face it - Pioneer DJ would be crazy to have the new CDJ apple fall far from the tree. They need users to have a familiar experience should they decide to embrace the new way. So when you look at the new models, there really isn't a lot different, except the stuff needed to enable this new digital workflow. There are of course some updates to the rest of the CDJ metaphor, but for me they pale into insignificance against the major shift that Pioneer DJ hope to bring with their introduction.

pioneer cdj-2000 cdj-900 launch

And with this shift comes comes a certain refocus of their target DJs. The CDJ-1000 was aimed at the wider market - anyone could own a pair of 1000s (well perhaps before the recent price hikes), but with the new way in place, the targets for the CDJ-2000 are and I quote "professional working DJs, Superstar DJs and Superclubs" i.e. people who make a shitload of cash just from DJing. If you're in this category, you have to think of your equipment as your livelihood and invest accordingly, thus $4K on a pair of CDJs isn't too much of a reach if you fall into that bracket. And for clubs, it's peanuts really.

The CDJ-900 however is the one for the rest of us. It's built on the same "prepare and perform" foundation but obviously hasn't got everything that the 2000 has. The spec of this is much closer to the 1000 than the 800 that most seem to be assuming it upgrades from. It lacks the large lush screen, but does still offer the basics of the new way plus some "performance" extras like slip mode, albeit in a lot less detail. Hey - Pioneer DJ want to give you a reason to buy the 2000 right?

pioneer cdj-2000 cdj-900 launch

But be under no illusion - Pioneer wish to dominate the scene, and crush DVS systems, even if they do offer HID for DVS compatibility. And you can't help but think that if they thought they could get away with it, they'd leave out the CD drive as well, in the same way that Apple offed the floppy disk. But then again, putting a DVD drive in there does make the CDJ-2000 accept every single popular music medium bar vinyl.

So in a nutshell, Pioneer have taken stuff that exists already, taken it a step further and laid out a very compelling and cohesive vision of the future as they see it. This will also be rolled out on future machines too so everyone will be able to "prepare and perform", even if it is on a different platform. I totally get where they're coming from, but the proprietary dominance factor of forcing anyone who wants to play seriously in clubs bothers me. It would be nice if say rekordbox became a standard way of working but was open to all brands of gear. I like freedom rather than enforced slavery - no matter how comfy the chains might feel. And then there's those bloody DVS loving fools - how dare they prefer the tactility and choice of software.

pioneer cdj-2000 cdj-900 launch

So do you want to go down this path? The benefits are obvious - media free streamlined music management and a simpler setup. No more CD wallets, laptops, complex cabling or switchovers either. All your music will be handled inside your CDJs without recourse to the picking up email effect of DVS systems. I think for CD rocking DJs, it feels like a total no brainer. But trying to sell this to DVS users might be quite a bit harder, especially if they use vinyl. That's one medium that seems immortal.

pioneer cdj-2000 cdj-900 launch

The uptake of the new units is an interesting conundrum. Who will drive the adoption of this new way of working? Having already shown that the "new species" is in fact just a milkshake of existing DNA, you have to understand that where others failed to make a real dent with their new ideas, Pioneer have the near untouchable brand, respect and infrastructure in place to pull this off. You walk into club and expect to see Pioneer, thus swapping old CDJs for new isn't really an issue.

And which is the cheapest way for Pioneer to go about it? I suspect that Pioneer will give assist superstar DJs in getting CDJ-2000s, as the best PR they can get is the VIP DJ list all using CDJ-2000s. This of course will encourage the clubs to switch over as well. I suspect that before too long, riders will be changed to specify CDJ-2000s or nothing. If you want Roger Sanchez in your club, you'd better have 2000s installed or he isn't getting out of bed. And this will slowly filter down through the rest of the scene as other DJs get to use them. It may be that rekordbox is free and non-2000 owners will be able to feel the benefit of the new way when they work, but they'll still be messing with CDs back at home, ultimately hate it and switch up themselves. It's a viral thing really.

So to underline this - think of these new CDJs not as upgrades as such, but as a path to the non-media all digital hassle free path that Pioneer wants to take you down. Look not at the handful of hardware tweaks and more at the new workflow. Then perhaps you'll get where "dawn of a new species" is coming from.

pioneer cdj-2000 cdj-900 launch

As a footnote to this - the chances of me spending anymore than 5 minutes with these machines at the launch event was impossible. And with the crappy disco lighting and ear bleedingly loud music majestic sound and light experience of MOS, it was near impossible (for me anyway) to formulate opinion on the actual units. But BPM is 2 weeks away, so I'll be sure to spend time with them in quieter surroundings and daylight too.

UPDATE: Photo shoot

33 comments to this story

On September 19, 2009, MouseAT commented...
My problem with the new generation of CDJs (cost aside) is that Pioneer clearly still do not get why some of us use software - it's because it gives us easy access to a lot of music on a large screen.

If these had been CDJ-1000s with added HID support in a similar vein to the CDJ-400, I'd have been interested (although I'd still not buy a pair to replace my 400s at the stupid mark up they're charging). But the simple version is that small screens with just a few tracks on them, and navigation via knobs and buttons just isn't good enough. With a laptop, I can scan through my entire collection in seconds, looking for inspiration. Not being able to easily pick tunes is the reason I left CDs behind, and there's no way I'm artificially crippling my track selection abilities just so I can use dedicated hardware.

Add keyboard, mouse and external monitor support and maybe we'll be talking.

On September 19, 2009, HAlleBy commented...
Well said :D - Thats why i bought the NS7. It's got the ideal way of srolling through my tracks, a bit sad, would have bought 2x of these if it wasent for that (And ofc. the ridicules price tag) :huh:

On September 19, 2009, RodrigoSM.br commented...
I gotta hand it to you, Giz - you constantly bring a different, well thought perspective to what is otherwise a sea of impressions and opinions. Congratulations on this fine piece. But I gotta say I don't fully agree. The notion of selling these to the top end and work from there make sense and seems commercially savvy, but I disagree that this equipment changes the workflow, and completely disagree with the non-media notion. We work with recorded music (as opposed to live), so media will be present in some form, be it silver disc, vinyl, USB keys or a hard drive thousands of miles away (yes, I'm pointing to the notion of streaming media directly from wireless connections to the club). It's in the essence of what we do. I'll even say more: this possibly ADDs to the chain. While some people would download, organize and leave it there, bringing the computer with them, now you have to transfer things into some other media. If doing that doesn't add anything creatively, I honestly don't see the point.
To mee, it's Pioneer catching up and not pushing the envelope. And this just struck me: it might be a risky idea to make such a huge bet on a market which you already firmly control (contractors and top clubs) instead of trying to reach out to a wider audience.
One last thing: shouldn't it be Darwinian, with an I?

On September 19, 2009, Ed commented...
Doesn't the CDJ900 only have one hot cue:)? If so it's obvious what Pioneer are going to do- discontinue the 800s and the 1000s leaving those needing the hot cues to upgrade to the 2000s. Even KAM cd decks have three hot cues nowadays. Cynical but likely in my opinion.

It will be very interesting to see what Denon do next- either go for the high end users or stick to the mid range market. I would say the latter and if they can sort out the looping/hot cues/MIDI and aggressively market any new player the mid market may open up for them:).

On September 19, 2009, Strategy commented...
As I stated in other threads before:

For the ridonkioulous price that Pio is asking (pers. I also always thought that the 1000mk3 was overpriced, they should have at least included video-capability in both the 900 and 2000 and should ship them both with a free included Pio-Usb-Stick (but nothing small, I'm talking 64-128GB)!!

Also, I never saw DVS as being that "e-mailyyyy"....coming from 10 years of vinyl-djing I think i actually interact more with the crowd now, then I did when spinning vinyl and spending have my time in the booth searching thru numerous crates of records!
Plus, where is the diffference wether I stare at a 6"CDJ Screen or a 15,4" laptop screen, it's not like I have to place the laptop directly between me and the crowd....and searching and organizing tracks whilst spinning will def take up more time and be less comfortable with the new CDJ then with a DVS/Laptop!

Last but not least, as the new CDJ do not have included effects or sampleplayers I would still have to bring my kaosspad (+ Sampler, if we're not talking the KP3 here), headphones and an external HD/Usb-Stick!
Just my 2 cents...
Greetz
Strategy

PS: The CDJ 900 just having one hotcue-button is an INSULT!

On September 19, 2009, Gizmo commented...
An interesting comment on price. One dealer I spoke to commented that they've sold more CDJ1000s at the £1099 price than they ever did when it was £700. And it was also felt that if you've got the kind of money to spend on a CDJ-1000 or 900, the reach to a 2000 isn't that far.

On September 19, 2009, Gizmo commented...
@RodrigoSM.br - I can see what you say about adding to the chain in terms of track preparation perhaps, but it's something you'll do once per track probably, and adding new tracks to your library is a lot easier than burning and cataloguing CDs every time you get a new stack of music. And as for taking music to a club - a USB device is a lot easier than a library of CDs.

On September 19, 2009, Strategy commented...
Little Story at the side...I'm actually working as an inhouse technicians for a clubowner here in town, who owns several clubs and is currently renovating one of them, the other day we were discussing what equipement to get for the dj-booth and CDJ barely after a long argument between me and the investers made the list!
Here are the reasons why the owner and the investors were against CDJ:
1.) Even as clubowners / investors, they were trying to save a buck whereever possible, I mean you don't become rich by constantly spending money like crazy...so eventhou they do have the money they still argued that Pioneer (DJ) CDJ are way to expensive compared to other brands/products...which I countered by stating how reliabable CDJs are and have always been!
2.) They said, well out of the 50 DJs who spun here last year only 5 used CDJs and two of them even brought their own 1000mk3s in cases with them, all other DJS used some sort of DVS [mostly with TimeCode Vinyl (perhaps 5-8 DJs used Controllers like the VCI etc.,)] or Ableton!
So if the need for CDJ isn't really there why should we get some??
It was easy getting money form them for 1 CDJ...I said there should always be at least once CD-Player as part of the DJ-Setup as backup, in case the Software crashes, so that the Dj can just play a mix-cd while he reboots and also so a mix-cd can be runnning whilst the Dj sets up his gear or 2 Dj using different DVSs switch [which thanks to N.I.s MulticoreCables has become a breath now (those, the owner and the investors gladly spend money on!!]
At the end of the day they agreed on getting two CDJ-800mk2s...1000mk3s they would only have bought one of!
And trust me it was hard enought getting them to get the 800s, originally they wanted to get CDJ-100s or 200s, as like they said, the CDJ hardly get used anyways anymore...

On September 19, 2009, Deft commented...
How much of the US market have Pioneer alienated by the evolutionary theme? We all know God created dj equipment.....

On September 19, 2009, qirex commented...
Deft: "God is a product manager" will be burning up Ibiza dancefloors this fall.

On September 19, 2009, k_one commented...
I think Pioneer will revolutionize the DJ-scene just as much with the CDJ-2000/900 as they did with the DMP-555. Anyone still remember that one?? Didn't think so. Pioneer has always made good quality products, so I would expect nothing less from these units that the perform perfectly and to said spec, but taking such a bold leap over the massive DVS market and expecting everybody to drop everything and adopt to a entire new system is perhaps too bold a move.
The word "FAIL!" comes to mind...
But I guess we'll just have to wait and see ;)

On September 19, 2009, Gizmo commented...

On September 19, 2009, Strategy commented...
Will skratchworx be getting these two CDJs for Reviewpurposes?
greetz
Strat

On September 19, 2009, Gizmo commented...
At some point yes. I'll have a lengthy play at BPM and no doubt after that some will head our way.

On September 19, 2009, Pulse commented...
One of the things people often forget is Pioneer often creates a high-end player with all sorts of leading functions (and a big pricetag) and follows it up later with midrange gear with a more appealing pricetag to the home DJ.

That being said, I know plenty of DJs who bought 2 or more CDJ1000MK3s and never ever played outside their own basement.

On September 19, 2009, bedouin commented...
A couple new observations.

1) The 1200, and even to some extent certain sets of cartridges were a standard for three decades. DJs made their one big investment and were set for the next decade or more. All of this constant upgrading going on right now is going to be a PIA until a standard arrives that does not keep changing every 3-5 years.

2) The current DVS setup may survive for years to come, sort of like how DOS survived when there were clearly more efficient operating systems available. That said, the DVS idea is brain dead on some levels. It's a hack to use vinyl with digital media and at some point people will say, "Hey why am I buying two turntables, cartridges, slipmats and wasting time hooking them up when I don't even spin vinyl?" What is the point of CD-Js at this point when, well, they're not playing CDs specifically? Is transitioning to a VCI-300 or NS7 so difficult?

I really don't know where these are going to go. They could be a success or flop. They could also just remain a user preferred but not standard product, like so many other devices out there. It seems too little too late. Serato has already become the industry standard, and 1200s always were. I'm not saying that as a zealot since I own and adore my CD-J 800s. However I've recognized from the start that I'm likely a dying breed. These decks sort of feel like an attempt to fill a need that just doesn't exist anymore.

On September 19, 2009, dj pioneer fanboy commented...
the technics sh-dz decks already came with sd card slots back in 2004..

as we all know cd's are a thing of the past so pioneer had to make a move and keep up with times..a lil late if you ask me.
i never liked these ugly looking cdj's anyways..

vinyl is the future

On September 19, 2009, NO_PIO_Peter commented...
@RodrigoSM.br you got some good points but hey Gizmo, Do you think Rekordbox will ultimately streamline workflow and unify DVS DJ's to CD DJ's? Its like forcing iTunes user to use Windows Media Player to sort/re-sort music!! Everyone MUST have a choice (some choices are obvious). It's natures law! BUT, I'm not going to knock it til I rock it! (I've owned and played with most of Pioneer products since the begining - but now it's less and less..hmmm.. wonder why..LOL) IMPORTANTLY However, the top-down attitude may be a dead-end not to mention it's a little cynical! Inflating margins and creating a so-called streamline workbench after knocking some of your competitor's idea??.And then scheming a trickle-down effect? Sounds like a mad car company gone wrong! We all know that story right? History repeats and that's why there's sooo many negative posts here! Price aside, WE ALL WANT SOMETHING NEW AND INNOVATIVE not something limited, expensive and menial. I think the upcoming months/near future, other companies will capture the greater spectrum of creatives to expand this new era in musical performances (also, every non-DJ gig I've seen in the last half decade has had a laptop or two either on stage or by the master soundboard - Pioneer you CAN NOT eliminate the computer!..LOL.) Shame! There are musicians, hobbyists, and sincere enthusiasts that all have personalized and unique ways of working. AND, it's going to get even more unique as new technology and interfaces emerge. Now I know we've all seen LOTS of great innovative stuff here on Skratchworx (thanks to the one-and-only) but it's a scheming toss-up by which the Pioneer Corporation Ahh-Uumm, excuse me, Pioneer DJ, will try and converge all of the opponents and force them to go down a one-way street.
Is this ethical? I think NOT!.. Oh, I'd have to say that the new logo is weak!..just look at the "D" in DJ and you see that it's not the same flow as the "P" in Pioneer!.. They can't even do graphic design right..LOL!!;) Hmmmm.. is it because they want the reinforce the PIONEER experience and NOT the DJ experience??? F*$Off.. real DJ's and musicians decide in the end... PERIOD.

On September 19, 2009, Horza commented...
And now we have a new problem....


"Shit man I've left my router at home!"

:P

On September 19, 2009, rs commented...
I've thought all along that when Pioneer did make a move, it would amount to crossing swords with DVS, and here we are.

But, I have to look once again at history. Technics 1200s have been a standard DJ item longer than I've been alive. I just can't see any whiz-bang digital thing, no matter how cool and convenient, toppling that fundamental building block.

Maybe it's different in Europe, but one thing about American-bred DJs is that they love their turntables.

rs

On September 20, 2009, NO_PIO_Peter commented...
RS, Strategy and the rest, if you really think about it, the entire DJ foundation is based on the iconography of the two decks (or rather the original turntables as RS noted being the building block and foundation) and as such evolved to two platters, digital or analog. The 1200's and comparable CDJ's emerged as industry standard because of their TACTILITY (basically their "feel";) and their TIMING (Numark CDX, Technics DZ-1200..and so on, all came late!;). FUNCTION in today's world is a variable (so whether 3 cues or 6 cues, we can work around that). I DO TRUST PIONEER R&D but HOWEVER I DO THINK THE TIMING THIS TIME IS A LITTLE OFF! It's like when Technics re-released all those variations of their 1200's!.. We can all come back to a MKII to get the BASIC job done (or a CDJ1000). But the computer catapulted our DJ sets to new levels and the distinction now is a split from the hardware-to-software where companies proprietary TRICKLE-DOWN our hard-earned cash and ADD TO THE CHAIN OF CAPITALISM! The older CDJ's will be discontinued and newer models WILL FORCE USERS TO PERHAPS A FIXED SOFTWARE! The BIG SPLIT IS BETWEEN THE OPEN MIDI TRIBE AND THE PRORIETARY SOFT-TO-HARD TRIBE. Controllers like the AKAI APC-40 is a good example however ABBLETON (being an excellent software) does welcome other controllers. The situation here is that we're going in reverse (from hardware to software now) and that's why we're a little hesitant. With today's technology, ONE CAN ACTUALLY DJ WITHOUT THE TWO WHEELS (I have many friends who'll defend this as they all come from the Abbleton tribe and the like) hence it's really about mixiology and entertainment. Pete Tong, Richie Hawtin, and many noteworthy DJ's have all addressed the problem of how to "look" best and entertain behind a laptop and all that digital gear! Uniquely so, the turntables allow turntablists to instrumentalize their musicality in a more direct way. With CDJ's, this perception is a little harder to swallow but actually it can be viewed as the same more-or-less. Both analog and digital AND THE TWO ICON OF THE WHEELS will remain because of human tactility for as long as the DJ lives! So then it becomes a problem of perceiving digital instruments (That's why hard rockers and musician's sometimes hate DJ's! Let's face it, live instruments have a wonderful mastery and craft that can take years of practicing. Digital tools short-cut the learning curve..with DVS, it's the same whether you like it or not!;) BUT, BOTH ANALOG AND DIGITAL ARE CREATIVE PROCESSES NON-THE-LESS that ARE working for us in combination. There's one BIG irony to all of this: CDJ/DVS/Laptops or live acoustics, WE ARE ALL WITHIN A DIGITAL AGE AND ALMOST ALL OF US ARE LEFT GASPING FOR INNOVATIVE PIECES OF KIT THAT SCREAMS "DJ AUTHENTICITY" BEHIND THE CODING OF 0'S AND 1'S!! IT'S GOING TO BE VERY INTERESTING FROM THIS POINT FORWARD! EXCELLENT WORK PIONEER! LOVE THE PRESS!

On September 20, 2009, Strategy commented...
Just to clarify:
I'm not knocking Pioneer (DJ) (btw. the logo blows..why is the Gap between Pioneer and Dj a double" "space?) as a company!
I like or even love using most of their gear! DJM-909/707 :love:
The only products I truly do not like are the DJM-500 & 600:
The 500 for not having a crossfadercurve and 600 for (just like the 500) sounding like you farted into a metallcan!

I also understand that Pio needed to make a move, and the idea as well as the concept of these new players isn't halvbad...but too little to late!

If Pio would have released these exact players 4 years ago they could have made a serious impact on the spreading of DVS/Laptops and secured Pioneers position in the game for many years to come!
Also, if both new CDJs would have had videocapability like the DVJ-1000, then we might have been talking new species and the price would have been justified, but considering what, when (2009) and for what price these players are offering it just doesn't cut it for today's Djs...the way some of us out there are doing mashups and crazy remixes whilst cutting it up on the fly, we need more effect and sampleoptions = Laptop...so personally I think DVSs and Ableton + Controller/Turntables will continue to reign!

Another thing pioneer should perhaps have done to make these players less critized is a lower price...instead of raising the price of the 1000/800 a while back they should have lowered the price by 200€ and then released the 900/2000 for the original price of the 1000+200€...just my humble opinion!
Greetz
Strategy

On September 20, 2009, Femi @ Work commented...
God forbid a superstar dj loses his tiny little usb key before a gig ...

On September 20, 2009, Pulse commented...
That's why nobody carries just one. ;)

On September 21, 2009, Prime-X commented...
For those people who are a big fan of Pioneer here's a video of CDJ-2000 you want to see...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWmMDW7zu5I

Big disappointment! :huh:

On September 21, 2009, Pulse commented...
What's disappointing about that video is the quality.

I'll post here what I commented on the video:

I don't speak Russian (?) but the reason it wasn't scratching was the fact it was in CDJ mode instead of VINYL mode. That's the green light you can see to the right of the platter.

On September 21, 2009, rs commented...
Thanks for clarifying that Pulse. I was wondering why it was so "glitchy".

On September 22, 2009, Alex G commented...
#CDJ2000faq No.17: Will the CDJ-2000 CDJ-900 rekordbox library software b provided free?-- No only w/CDJ purchase. Sorry @PioneerDjKarl

FAIL

On September 22, 2009, Strategy commented...
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaqycEJUe2A&feature=sub[/url]

Search seems to work better then I thought!

On September 22, 2009, looney commented...
what if I lose my CD-ROM, my laptop crashes... how do I go about getting another copy of rekordbox?

On September 23, 2009, Bboy commented...
How ironic. My Denon 5500's cost less than half, I could link them via D-link, play usb drives, MIDI control any software AND they're dual decks in one. The only thing wrong with the 5500's are that Denon stupidly ceased making them and released the 3700's. I bet Denon are kicking themselves now.

On September 24, 2009, ap9 commented...
So pioneer have done it again, huge price tag! I use the old (discontinued sob) CDJ-500s and I'd love to upgrade to the 1000 or 800 but the price tag just aint gonna happen. I look on at the 2000 and 900 and think that technologically they're fantastic, can see who it'll be better working on them than humping a crate of CDs/Vinyl about. But...

...I fear something is starting to be lost with all the technological advances. I now understand why the vinyl guys looked on with disdain when the CD monkeys popped up (I include myself in this bucket) I recognise that the DVS systems are fantastic (and I'm sorely tempted though again... price! oh, and I'm lazy when it comes to sitting for hours on the computer marking cues etc. etc.) but I love the feel of chucking a CD in and I'm being pulled toward getting vinyl decks (I'm sure my wombles record will be great!;)

Yes, I'm sure that I deserve abuse for these opinions (I handed out my fair share when the CD/vinyl war raged) but I think this is a symptom of society itself, everything has to be easy, and there right now. As little work as possible and lots and lots of praise.

Back to the new decks, look great, sure there's lots in them, and if I won the lottery I'm sure I'd go and get them after i've picked up my aston martin, but really... the comments asking if people will REALLY move away from Serato etc. when they're all set up with it right now... I think Pioneer have brought them out too early. You need to have people feel like something new is needed and I'm not sure it is right now.

Well that's my two pence worth.

On September 28, 2009, Mario commented...
I had a question about CDJ-900

Is it will display a waveform for tracks or not?

I was reading here that it will be. But i cant find that info on another place.

thanks



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