Look out Serato.
Yup. They have their own time coded vinyl. Who called it? (Twisting around to pat myself akwardly on the back.)
Question is does Traktor with DVS support only work with the Audio 8 card or with any ASIO soundcarD?
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"Question is does Traktor with DVS support only work with the Audio 8 card or with any ASIO soundcarD?"
I'm guessing only with the Audio 8.
Can the Audio 8 DJ also be used as a soundcard - like final scratch now?
The Audio 8 DJ has ASIO drivers just like the SA2.
It will also work with the full Traktor 3 application.
And with other programs (like Ableton,...) ?
The Audio 8 can be used in any program that supports ASIO (PC) and/or CoreAudio (Mac).
dunno why, but i have a button on the fs open
I'm liking the fact that I can trade in by old FS 1.5 which is gathering dust over there for a better deal on this!
Nearly seven bills!?
Hold on, I have to pick up my jaw.
Is it the replacement of Final Scratch or different from FS ??
FS is dead. Long life FS! (Yeah right)
Stanton passed the buck for FS today. They made their time code open source. Which means any manufacturer can add FS to their program.
Problem is this: No one good will.
Serato? Not a chance in the burning embers of hell. They are a hardware company first.. Their software is free.. Their hardware box is their dongle.
Native Instruments? : Nope. They pulled all support for the Stanton box out of version 3.2 on January 1st, fucking over people like me who forked out cash for the full version of tracktor. I can use 3.2, but I will not be able to use any future bug fix or feature updates. I'm locked into 3.2
Other manufacturers? Who cares. If the company do not have a history with DJs they will have no clue what they are doing.
Looks like after dumping almost a thousand bucks into stanton & NI over the past few years, it's time for me to jump ship and head over to SLL... Damn I hope they release a version 2 hardware soon.. The use of USB 1.1 scares me.. And their I/O is antiquated..
I was really hoping for a little more out of this Namm. I suppose it's good news for people just entering the market.. But a full on drag to people who have been supporting NI & Stanton.
PissedoffG=-,
Its interesting to see how Stanton pulls this idea out, since NI no longer supports FS2 and to take out FS mode from Traktor when NI just puts in their own code and makes a spin off called Traktor Scratch. To me thats messed up. As bad as it looks, or mixed up as it looks, Stanton opens up FS to be FSDK and opens up their ScratchAmp. Like they are trying some kind of last attempt to bring thier good name back to life for Final Scratch. I was thinking, what else could Stanton do? Yup, I didnt see this coming, make FS open source? No, offer an SDK kit for FS and allow the ScratchAmp to work with anything else. Still kinda burns those who own FS 1.x - 2.x to TDS 3.2.....? the whole Final Scratch idea of Digital Vinyl Emulation has really spread out now. I dont know if I would call it spread out thick or thin..?
Reflex is coming out, and they too will have time code option, but with who's time code algo?
Still stick with my Rane TTM57SL.
I agree mostly with GaryS, except that I'm a lot more pissed at Stanton.
FS Open is nothing but an insult...read my posts on it's page here or on related pages on djforums.com (same username) for more details. Suffice it to say that I'm never going to buy another Stanton product again...I'm considering extending that boycott to NI as well for droping FS support.
My prediction, and you can cite this, is that Traktor Scratch flops leaving 2 viable contenders: SSL and Torq.
M-Audio's not distributing Live anymore, so maybe they want to keep the DJ market and will do what they can, but my money is on a vinyl control monoculture by 2009 if it even takes that long.
Despite not having the best feature set or the best hardware, SSL is going to win, if they haven't already.
If people would pay attention to the forum you would know that FS2 support was pulled due to Stanton ending the contract and pulling rank.
I think this was done to spite NI, there has been no official word about FS Open being allowed in Traktor productions.
In my eyes it's better to have the same company manufacturer the software and hardware. You get WAY better support this way.
Almost all other DVS solutions are going this way except for a handful.
But people get it straight, NI is not to blame for the lack of FS2 support, Stanton is.
Just to educate people as well, you can still use FS2 with Traktor 3 build 3.2.0.080 (PC) & 3.2.0.085 (Mac)
So if you want to keep using FS2 with Traktor 3, run those versions and you will be fine.
Otherwise you can upgrade and lose FS2 support due to Stanton forcing NI to remove the codebase from Traktor 3 as of Dec. 31st, 2006.
Hopefully there will be another upgrade option offered for people who both own FS2 & Traktor 3. This has been brought up on NI's site and time will tell if this additional upgrade option will be offered.
I for one cannot fault NI for wanting to stay away from Stanton now. Firstly saving their ass by creating TraktorFS and then adding FS2 support to their DJ Studio suite. To only get muscled in the end to remove product support after getting their name tarnished by poor support channels.
Once again I think it's the best solution, it's already proven by other systems. NI has full control of their solution by making the hardware and software themselves.
Now there will be 100% product accountability and no passing the buck games.
Why do they still put "Scratch" in the names of these products? Does that still really cover the target market?
All I really care about these days is:
1. The product works as advertised
2. The product is well engineered enough to be fit-for-purpose
3. There is professional support behind the product that has been shown to be responsive and upfront with the user base
The only company I know that ticks all these boxes as regards DJ products is Rane/Serato - they were already building rock-solid product but the SSL forum simply takes the cake - it set the gold standard for how to run an organisation and talk to your customers.
Stanton, on the other hand, pretty much did the opposite. I guess their internal company structure was like many others that struggled to look far enough ahead and react accordingly when user complaints stacked up - they gambled that being first to market was good enough and didn't really seem at all prepared to cope with the problems that both the original hardware and the software brought.
It seemed to me like they didn't have a great relationship with either set of software devs and have thrown the towel in on that side. Open source is a nice concept but as is often pointed out it can lead to half-finished unsupported buggy software (no change there then!
NI and M-audio are different I suppose, in that they have programming pedigree...however when I think of M-audio I think of plasticky crap, and NI makes me think of highly prices and a user love/hate relationship(a la Waves and Steinberg).
Much like when Vestax and Numark shook up the turntable market, I guess we have to wait and see. Some like to risk life on the bleeding edge with the additional features/headaches it brings. So far it seems that the tried, tested and trusted route is still to stick with 1200's and Rane/Serato - as has been mentioned elsewhere on Skratchworx, it can be quite rare that you need more than the features this combo offers.
Oh and USB 1.1 is absolutely fine, don't be suckered on that one.
a) stanton forced NI to remove the fs support out of traktor, that wasn't NIs idea.
b) there will be a cool offer for former FS and ssl users. sell your old DVS on ebay, buy traktor scratch and you won't be disappointed nor having much money burnt senselessly.
NI share equal fault here. Stanton has made the scratch amp time code open source, which means there is NO reason to pull support from Traktor 3. NI want to continue having a hardware dongle for the use of their program. But to remove support for hardware after advertising support for it is a scam on their part. I payed for Traktor3 because it is supposed to work with my hardware. Now I'm locked out of any future upgrades or support for that program unless I shell out 450us for a "special price for our valued customers" upgrade. What do I get if I do give them this money? Nothing that I don't have at the moment except the support I was promised when I bought this system in the first place.
I encourage everyone to go with Rane.. It was a tough choice when I first made it a year ago. I made the wrong one. I sure as hell will encourage others not to do the same.
G=-,
Is it just me or is Traktor a bit of a shit name for high performance software?
Err, so noone ever came up with a logical explnation for the hook?
apparently it is a USB lead safety lock thing
So let me get this straight.....No support from any version of NI and Stanton on Traktor Skratch and FSO for code base to interact with the software that exist ????...still confused and why o why NI made a move to be with Stanton Final Scratch and turned up flop....glad I'm getting Serato Scratc Live....not to say it like that but the companies have to come an agreement in order for the program to support..Isn't it ????
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=1759855221video with DJ Danetic is up, just a promo
i did ask Danetic how the sound was compared to serato (due to a "tighter" timecode on traktor) and he said the sound didn't stop like on serato when slowed down real slow. i love my serato but hate how power downs sound on it,
but i'll stick with my serato for now cause it cost near damn enough ^_^
as quickly as this has dropped following the end of the NI/Stanton relationship only shows me that NI has ideas on how to improve the product that they weren't willing to share.
but what could be even worse? dropping mad cash on this new NI product only to find that it performs just as poorly as FS did.
600 euros ? that is about the same price you can get Serato here in Europe...if this is stable enough and promises low(ish) latency, it seems a pretty good buy considering the soundcard advantage
I'm curious about the host computer's specs, as NI stuff is pretty CPU hungry, and if that thing has phantom power for the mic-in.
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"Err, so noone ever came up with a logical explnation for the hook?"
The Audio8 box comes with multi-core cables so my guess is that the hook is simply a cable tidy. I can only assume that NI have thought a lot about how people use their various interfaces and come up with a way to keep everything as tidy as possible.
i've been defending fs2 to ssl users for the past two years. saying that traktor was better software and that the scratchamp had more future capabilities. but in the end, i did this to open up my options when playing out. and to play more gigs, more often. that was why i started this. now i notice pretty close to EVERYONE is using ssl when i am out and i am only one using fs2. meaning i have had to unplug their rig and plug in mine all while the guy playing is giving me that "don't fuck up" look. just seems like serato has become the unofficial standard. and the support is outstanding, everything from a forum to videos to phone numbers. just the sort of comfort that i would want when using a product that may raise a lot of questions. i have to say that i am giving up and switching over. stanton can kiss my as and they will never see another dollar from me.
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"Serato? Not a chance in the burning embers of hell. They are a hardware company first.. Their software is free.. Their hardware box is their dongle."
Errr, as far as im aware serato has never manufactured a piece of hardware in their rather short existence. Serato is a small computer engendering firm from New Zealand. They are best known for their massively high quality time stretching plugins for logic.
Rane manufactured the SL1 interface... Serato coded/designed scratch live. Infact they had a working prototype of what was to become Serato Scratch long before they got on with Rane.
your paying for the software just as much as the I/O infterce, your right about it acting like a dongle though. Hence the free download.
it's cool. It seem to be a tid bit tighter that serato. This is my question though. With Final scratch and traktor shwing these items at NAMM. Did they think about Numark Virtual Vinyl, while these items were in production. Yea you can play the music, but mixing the video takes it to another level.
why does everyone think that all decisions for company's are made at NAMM? shhhhhhhhhh.......
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"600 euros ? that is about the same price you can get Serato here in Europe...if this is stable enough and promises low(ish) latency, it seems a pretty good buy considering the soundcard advantage
I'm curious about the host computer's specs, as NI stuff is pretty CPU hungry, and if that thing has phantom power for the mic-in."
Uhm, but you are getting ASIO drivers for the SL1 in the 1.7 release of Scratch Live.
Autolooping, and Auto BPM reading
Midi is on the way
plus you have the added bonus of nowing the software has been Beta tested by the public - hence working DJ's putting it through it's paces, the problems are eliminated and resolved.
This is kinda like the whole Toyota Production System that japanese companies are using: they constantly test the product and eliminate 99.9999999% chance of problems BEFORE they release the product. Unlike ford et all who react to problems encountered in the field. This allows much greater customer support and is the reason they can offer 5 year warranty's etc..
As weak said Serato & Rane have a well thought out product that is upgraded when it's nigh on perfect, not to get an edge in the market.
they constantly test the product and eliminate 99.9999999% chance of problems BEFORE they release the product
anyone ever consider this is might be why Stanton didn't drop anything at NAMM?
SSL forever y por siempre!
i actually had a chance to play with traktor scratch at the namm booth and ive got to be REALLY REALLY honest...I was simply blown away with how on point it was.i spent a few hours going back and forth to the serrato booth and the NI booth making sure i felt out the difference of them both and traktor scratch was just soooooooo much more consistent...
i think allot of DJs in here are forgetting that Native Instruments has always been a really innovative and leading industry standard software development company. their products outside of the DJ division are simply the best instrument plug ins on the market and if you walk into any major production recording studio they are always running NI application ..
i think NI probably has been waiting to break free from Stanton cuz Stanton offered them some major limitation to what they could do in development ...and the second stanton decided to leave NI behind NI jumped right up and made a product that will probably be the most stable and technically advanced product on the market ...
for any producers that use NI stuff like Reaktor or Absynth you will know right off the bat that the guys that make this software in Germany are the kind of people that bend spoons with their mind ... these guys do not play around
Also keep in mind that the features traktor scratch offers is far more than anything else on the market and its priced at an extremely competitive place …also good to know that the entire company designed EVERYTHING in house so at least this time around there will be no finger pointing on who’s fault it is
I think serrato has some MAJOR competition on its way ..
i hear NI is offering discont to anyone using serrato
i agree
i also had a chance to play with it at NAMM .i really went up there with the intention of beating it and making it crash or something. but i was surprised how well it performed i am a current Serato user and after i played with it i was already sold on switching over .after watching some other turntablest beat juggle and scratch on it you can tell how surprised they were as well.
NI has it on lock down.i cant wait till its released
Kudos to R8-T-8R & tek-usr for sharing their honest impression of TS. All too often I hear "bashing reviews" based on the hype machine. Sure FS1 got a lot of negative press, and perhaps some of it was well-deserved, but I personally used it for about 4 years (on ver. 1.0) until I switched to FS2. FWIW, FS2 appears to be problem free for me too.
tek-usr, how noticeable was the difference between TS and SSL? It appears that NI was not too bold in offering a crossgrade for SSL users after all. Were there any noteable turntablists at the NI booth? (noteable = DMC Champions, former champions, etc..)
MIXVIBES costs half the price of any of these solutions and works impeccably. Little users are aware of the great performances delivbered through the new free updates.
It's no surprise if this product is backed up by the best turntablists in the world and sells so well in Europe. Test it ! You'll se for yourself and save 300 bucks
nasferatu ...
when i was there NI had a couple of guys that had said they were instructors from the scratch academy . they were great DJs and were really cutting it up. later in the day i was walking past the booth and i saw a litte crowed gathering up.i went over there and saw ROC
RAIDA and some guys who were suposably from the zulu nation ...they were all going back and forth on the dex and you could tell they were jocking it really hard.they were crabbing like super fast to see how point it was then when they were finished they would turn to their homeys and start nodding as if they all agreed on how sick that shit was.it was my first time at NAMM and it was super cool to see all these guys walking around ...my boy who used my badge to go to NAMM the next day told me he saw jazzy jeff at the traktor scratch booth as well...i wish i could of seen that
when i played with it i did feel a really big noticeable difference when you started scratching really fast ..traktor just stayed on time time allot better...
someone posted a video of someone playing with traktor scratch at NAMM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0ovC6izo28
seems pretty damn tight
Note to self: "must scam a badge for NAMM 2008"
heheh..
taking into consideration all the news about DVS, I'm only hoping for one thing.... a standard.
After seeing what Numark did with a turntable, i don't see anymore advances in Turntable technology, a clear standard has been chosen (debate amongst yourselves). Price is a good thing when choosing a product, but let's face it, 1200's and CDJ1000's aren't cheap, yet they are permanent fixtures in most clubs across this great planet of ours.... not knockin' Mixvibes (I personally like it) but my eyes are on the "big 3" NI, Rane, and Stanton (how long in they'll remain in the top 3? I'm not sure)
One thing remains key (and interesting...) for the first time, I'm finding I have to keep up with computer technology so I can keep DJing...hahahaha who would've guessed?!?!?
hi guys, i don´w know if this is a bit offtopic but, after searching a while i still am not certain ... i own a FS 1.5, and a mac OSX 10.4 Tiger. Is there anyway i can put it to work now ? i tested it and it worked, but i am not able to register using the registration tool, nor that registrating software that ni has created. therefore, the 15 day evaluation has passed and i cannot use the software anymore, though i have purchased it... do you know any drivers/software that will allow me to use any dj software with my FS 1.5 ? thanks
nuno
damn that video is dope ...
i cant scratch that fast on my serato live without skips and hic ups
NUNO....E-mail I got a girl in Berlin that will help you she works for traktor...as a matter of fact I own 1.5 as well..I lost all my registration info....she gave me a new password , authorization code and everything, just e-mail me and i will give you all her info ..trust me she will have u up and runing in no time
dj.dirty@blackrainentertainment.com
any idea whether NI will release a professional controller for traktor? i mean they have the best dj software and they dont have a proper (non plastic) controller...i just wish if they do so to incorporate this audio 8 circuitry in it...
by the way where is pioneeer & technics????
probably sleeping right??
I suspect Pioneer will develop their DJS software further. As for Technics...
wouldn't be perfect if they build a controller with the same jog wheels???and a mac version for the software would be nice for all us mac users
can this baby play 4 ins simultaneously??
cause i see 2 inputs on the front and a selector switch
2 words
M-Audio TORQ
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"As for Technics..."
hehehe......i would love to see that.
On 18-01-2007 22:50, Konix commented...
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