this is cool but only for peeps that want to make music and want the lil something in the song.. but now we are going to have punk kids saying that they can scratch too...

When CD TT's came out, all the loyalist Turntablists hated on them...now everyone will hate on the new kid...but this looks more like a producers tool. There will never be a substitute for 2 TT's and a Mixer. Keepin it Old Skool!

I think this is a great tool for producers, to add some scratchs here and there.

i think its a gd idea in theory and will help a lot of producers add a nice little scratch here and there, but it kinda defeats the point of actually learning scratch if any tom, dick and harry can just use a program to make the same sounds. interesting tho, i spose its a bit like drum production and drummers

im with Xperience on this one it looks like it would be better than the scratch tool in fl studio 6.0

Okay, I'm selling my decks and mixer, it's over!

hi .

i think you kind of missed the point in a way.

this tool can help advance scratching in new ways. for the first time a turtablist can actually COPYRIGHT a scratch. to copyright a traditional musical song you copyright the notation of the song, the notes of music themselves. until iscratch there was no way to “OWN” your scratch. so to me this is a great thing for turtablists.

yes it does not sound like a “real” scratch. but its close enough for me or a turtablist to hear the sound and see the pattern and then mimic the sound from iscratch on the turntable. so now i can hear something that i cant make my hands do. but by hearing it i can teach my hands to make the sound.

for a completely new turtablist with no reference they can immediately understand what is going on and how it works. someone can understand scratching in a new way. this is also a good thing that advances scratching. maybe someone would give up before they learned anything. iscratch may help lessen the steepness of the learning curve.

this is a great tool for a non-turtablist who likes the sound. they may even like it so much that they get inspired to become a real turtablist but now they already have a reference on how to begine. they already have patterns they have composed. and they are inspired to scratch for real.

a turtablist can share a new pattern in a new and easy to understand way. instead of going “hey man, i made up a scratch, it goes, fr, fr ,fresh, fr,rf,fr,rf fresh” you can go “hey man im emailing you this new scratch” soudn like a good thing to me. to be able to collaborate in a new visual way.

so for all levels of turtablists this is a great tool.

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i forgot about the "sheet music" you can print. this is also a fun thing to share or be able to show the other band members what you want to do in a way that is visual. to be able to print a scratch on paper and share it is completly new to turntablism and hopefully should advance the art in unforeseen ways.

the turntable becomes an instument that anyone can compose for. simillar to the way i can play a violin sample with a midi keyboard. but i cant play a violin. i can print the music i composed on the midi keyboard and show it to my friend that can play violin. so imagine replacing the word violin with turntable. i think this is kind of cool.

Jon - can you clarify something? Does it analyse a wave file of scratching and then convert this to 'notation'? Or do you have to recreate it manually in the app?

Copyright a scratch? That's truly evil and would be a reason to hate this thing if that's the motivation.

Copyrighting musical creativity protects nothing but the record labels who make the biggest dollars.

If by copyright a scratch you mean an entire scratch performance (i.e. song) then copyright laws already protect this.

Hip hop has its roots in sampling and paying homage to musical influences, anything that tries ot take this away does not add to the scene imo.

Tell the truth, James Brown was old
'Til Eric and Rakim came out with "I Got Soul"

Furthermore, turntablism has only evolved into what it is today by the sharing of skills and ideas. Love him or hate him, you have to give QBert props for sharing. The Piklz held nothing secret, instead, motivated by a love for the scene, they helped bring skills and technique to the forefront. If everyone "back in the day" copyrighted their scratches, what would we be doing today?

Don't get me wrong, the software looks cool and I'd love to see a Windows port so I could play with it. I just won;t be using it to legally protect my scratches, and I hope no-one else does too.

Sorry for the rant, you touched a nerve...

the software seams to be quite wack, sorry
not interesting...
keep it real!

Iron Monkey is BANG on the mark.

Absolutly right.

And how that other dude can talk about copyright I dont know, coz if there was a major copyright clampdown that would be the end of hiphop and turntablism,,, and absolutly everyone involved would be sued and left pennyless.

iMonkey -is right

This thing is cool for dumb producers who have no connection to skratching and would usually have to buy a stock scratching sample, or use one from a bought library... now they can have a lil wiki wiki.. and everyone can be happy...lol

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The technology is nothing new. The software is 'kinda new' I mean this has been possible forever utilizing either Time Coded Vinyl, or by using a CDX or any other analog/digital interface.

You could then record, while you were scratching, and then the software could draw up the notation for all the skratches you just did, based off of the digital information correlating to the record movements, in conjunction with the fader clicks (silences)

SIMPLE - go ahead and steal the idea, thats why youre here right?

And then you know what would be really Cool? You could then get like a robot DJ to reproduce your skratching for you. Hell YEah Man! http://www.dj-i-robot.com/ /sarcasm

Whoever is making this obvioussly knows nothing about skratching, other than they paid someone who knows a little bit to help them with the logistics of the software. Sad.

All the reasons that were stated, that are supposedly the high points of this product.. are nothing new.

Not to mention, you are going backwerds in terms of evolution... There is already a few midi turntables.. The CDX line... The controller 1, the EJ midi turntable.. etc..

Any of the already existing analog digital transcribing hardwares(ssl/FS2/CDX/Tascam controller) could be combined with any number of softwares to create numerous midi turntable setups.

Nothing new...........

FYI - You arent going to win any scratch supporters with this kind of gameplan. Do more research, or better marketing. This product does not appeal to people who visit this website.

Lesson learned?

Instant microwave skratching LOL!b

this + the numark idj (ipod interface) + streaming xm radio = set fo life!!!

a Reezy dj i robot so do i need a new job now

yeah yeah on the midi turtable tip, johnathan peters actually had 1200's custom crafted for him

this is phone sex (iscratch)

versus real sex (turntables)

lol about the idea of having the copyright to a scratch.

a simple 1 click/ 1 click flare can be done in at least 36 ways and more complex scratches can be tweaked in hundrets of ways. so much that only nerds can actually detect it.

but of course

since they judeged that we should pay for any 0.0001 sec sample anything is possible.

Copyright a scratch? I really can't see that being a practical reality can you? Theodore cracked a joke on Scratch The Movie about just that. Suddenly everyone gets scared to lay down scratches for fear of someone throwing lawsuits around for busting a 3 click flare with Aaaaah. DMC would have to get every scratch passed for copyright before making the DVD. Scratching would die, remaining underground for ever. It's not going to happen. Move on.

The real power of iScratch is that it captures the ability to demonstrate a scratch in notation rather than through description and the fact that you can actually hear it and see it demonstrated at the same time. We've seen notation systems before but they've all remained on paper rather than being in a form that everyone can use.

iScratch could be a very useful tool. I'm thinking more as a teaching tool than anything else. But let's see where this goes. This is only version 1 and I can see features such as curves to simulate real hand movements on the vinyl. Why not join the iScratch forum and share your ideas with Red Rock Software.

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On point as ever Giz. The fact that someone has created a notation tool for turntablists is potentially another step forward for the artform. Now if we could get to a point where software/hardware could identify and notify scratches from an incoming sound source/file...

link to their site ain't working... :S

Both links working just fine here.

so giz, i know your a mac man.

what you reckon?

wow this is a terrible design. I like the notation idea, but the implementation makes it so that it takes years to create anything worthwhile.

they seem to have this in reverse. What would be truly useful is the ability to have the software transcribe a live scratch into notation. One would think you could have this worked into serato fairly easily, in terms of recording record positioning and fader clicks...

@ lowkey

I have already described and outlined the procdeure for doing this, utilizing either; cdx,tascam controller, or time coded vinyl.

Those things record the record movements, and the fader movements are easily recognized as silences.

Somebody should write up the software....

It would sell, and would be a great step forward for skratching..

So.. Jon Stovall, if you are reading this, take heed. This is what we want, or at least its what YOU could do for us.

Otherwise, its comedy, to come at some serious skratch heds with this ipodISH gimmick.... No real skratch DJ would ever use anything but REAL VINYL... anything else, and youre lying to yourself...

Might be a nice tool to have but I gotta go along with the others..copyrighting a scratch, c'mon

What we don't need is people trying to get rid of the DJ again. What happens in the studio is fine by me but live, I want to see DJ working the tables, not pushing buttons (of course unless they're using a laptop with ScratchLive and 2 tables)

This is disgusting.

Fuck this.

I'm seriously

ready to drown in my own puke.

Because this is so fucking disgusting.

As lokey says, Serato could implement this quite easily with the 57 - maybe they will.
I've always wondered why there isn't a some kind of production ROMPLER with some scratch patterns which a user could assign any sample to at any tempo.

the first CD scratch enabled player sounds more real than this.

I'm all for new digital gear but not this .....where is the fun in it...makes for a boring d.j

@reezy, bro why do you always make the a point of saying that you have already come up with x or said y? Honestly its just plain anoying, we have all invented shit in our time no doubt. come up with cool stuff, we are in the same arena so surely most of us think alike anyway?

I have been thinking about writing software to teach people to scratch for years but i think that thought has probebly crossed all our minds one way or another, so why fuss over it?

By going on about how you have seen / done / thought of it before you are outright insulting people who are just trying to understand or share their thoughts.


It's a shame this thread had to be hijacked with crap.


Maybe a version modified for mentally / physically handicapped kids to improve their co-ordination while learning something fun and noisey..

I know a heavily, mentally handicapped dude who had lots of deformaty and he was able to shoot hoops at any distance.

Maybe the next qbert has the iq of a 5 year old...

@ Tikka open your eyes.. im not the only one hating on this.

The reason I speak is because I feel obligated. WTF is this? Shit is laughable... The reason I say what I say is because maybe someone who is actually gonna make it happen will read it and take heed, because they obvioussly need to be pushed in the right direction, as this is obvy the wrong one.

I just meant to say that its nothing new, because they seem to think that it is.

@Deft- You're right.Serato is most suited to be doing this since they already have everything that they need in one package, now just to write the software..

Its only an insult if you are insecure and take it that way. From my perspective im trying to help. To share knowledge,thoghts and ideas. Not to belittle anyone or their idea...

its like saying that the sky is blue. If you wanna argue and say that its just the reflection of the ocean off the ozone or something.. whatever. Youre missing the point.......

i must admit, i havnt read most of the comments on this page.

i think this program could be very useful for getting ideas down or anything similar. its no different than finale or another type of musical composing. it can be used to create ideas, save them, share them, and learn from them.

it would be nice if in the future this could be somehow integrated with finalscratch/SSL (hopefully SSL) so that it can record scratches that are played, just like a midi keyboard can be recorded. then you could even use different samples with the same scratch sequence, just as you can have a midi keyboard play different instruments with the same midi track.

i think this could be very useful for a producer, and the dj community becoming more mainstream and recognized.

although "copywriting scratches" is complete BS.

heh

i don't know why any of yall would get mad at this?

i would win a battle against anyone on this program with my 1200s.

But seriously i don't think it was ever intended to compete with our current setups.

It would be nice if they made a windows versions so i could make a real comment.

hi.

i have been tryin to avoid the hate, and a kneejerk-hatefilled reaction to it. i also have been quite busy with work.

on copy right. ok maybe its not the BEST thing. but there is a difference between owning the rights to something and not sharing (metallica) and owning the rights and sharing (james brown). it may end up being something useful for someone, some day. lets agree to disagree.

so anyway besides that i still think this is a good tool to learn and teach someone to scratch.

on going the "other way" transcribing the movements. yes this was part of the very intial concept i wanted to happen when i went to the developers in june 2005. we had to limit the initial feature set to allow us to release sooner. believe it or not a lot of thought and effort and time went into this. the silence CAN be counted as a click but not always. seriously think about it and how difficult it is to actually code something like that. its one thing to say hey cool do that, can you guys make this happen? then they go in the room and code it out. its amazing what can be done these days with a positive attitude.

on the hate. well i feel like just since you havent heard of me you dont know that i havent contributed to this culture or have a right to persue a software product that in my opinion helps people to learn to scratch and also helps more expose people to the creativity of scratching. different people understand the same thing differently for different reasons. you dont know what directions i have gone in over my 14 year involvement with turntablism or the projects i have been involved in on the web related to turntablism. i dont know anything about you either so that doesnt give me a right to assume anything about you.

on nothing new? what other app allows you to do the same thing?

on the handicapped - great idea. yet another way to expose someone to scratching who otherwise would have no way to express themselves with a scratch.

thanks for your time and comments, and hate. you keep me motivated.

serato, final scratch, ms pinky, the rest...dont use any fader control its just manipulation of the control singal into the computer and the input is converted and manipulated on the MP3 and sent to the mixer where the fader adds the clicks. youd have to go back into the computer again after the miser to read the silent parts.

all the computer hears in a standard set up is the control signal and not the fader manipulation.

if you cut the control signal with the fader, the computer would lose the signal and its place on the MP3 you are controlling.

trust me.

are you this nice in person reezy? is that your real name?

what if you have some silence in your sample.. ?

this silence is NOT created by a fader...

you cant ALWAYS count silence as silence FROM the fader.

try think about it from a computer programming stand point, instead of a hate issue.

how about a "click" from holding the record still like the "phantom click" when the recrods changes direction, or the "silence" during a tear or a hold. these "phantom clicks" are periods of "silence" not created by the fader. so yes.. "all a fader does is make silence" you are correct.

BUT not ALL silence is made by the fader.

Well, if there was a silence because you were holding the record still, the software would know its not from tha fader.

There is a simple midi modification for a fader to send a midi message everytime it is open/closed. FLesh One midi mod.

Also you could load the sample into the software so that it would know what silences if any are on the sample itself...

Am I this nice in person? It depends if we are bullshitting or if we are talking information. I streamline my communication, no butter, no beating around the bush. What I think is what I say/type.

Im not a fake ass bitch like most people in this world.

Straight up info, I apologize if you assume any emotions are attatched to my communications.. because they arent.

emotions hinder communications - especially in text....

so. now you are calling me a fake ass bitch? thats real nice.

Wow, I sparked something...

For the record, the only beef I have is with the concept of copyrighting scratches. Other than that, I think the concept of the software is actually kinda neat. Its cool to see something using one of the scratch notation systems. Its the first time I have ever seen that in a ny of the scratch-oriented tools, so credit where its due for that, irrelevant of how it actually sounds. Do you realize the significance of that? A scratch notation system is an important step toward seeing scratching taken more seriously as true music, so the more the systems are used out there, the better, imo.

I don't get the impression this is intended to replace the DJ, and listening to the demo, it'll be a long time before it does soundwise. I can see it having some good applications from an education and notation system, even if you never actually use its playback function.

There are certainly challenges in realizing full recording of scratches for future playback (via SSL/Final Scratch) I don;t think its as easy as everyone thinks. Having different methods for recording the silence of a click is simply not going to work as it if it means learning a new method of scratching, it just won't stick. For a system such as this to work ,it would have to just work with no difference in technique required, and thats truly difficult to envision how (two inputs to the PC would likely be required, one pre and one post fader, pre to record the timecode, post to get the silence). I am sure its doable, but don't think its a no-brainer to do.

Drop the discussion of copyright as a benefit and I'd be supportive of the positive aspects of this software.

Who said I called you a fake ass bitch? Im just saying, that most people are..And I say what I mean, throws people off sometimes.. however most people arent turntablists either so.. whatever..

If this whole program just gets you or somebody in the direction of making a skratch composition recorder (or w/e u wanna call it) then, it has served its purpose.

I dont even know you, no harsh feelings intended....

This is so boring... Scratching is so fun. It's linke dunking on basket-ball... I don't see anything fun in iScratch. It's like In Vitro way of creating baby. Creating baby without having sex...

i'm strongly neutral about this.

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@Dirtyswift

Lol.. good analogy. perfect.

D?

Seems one thing is not respected in the early learning stages and unfortunately, for a lot of scratchers, in the later stages as well. and that is timing and minimalism.

This is why most scratching is weak. people don't think about how a traditional musician, who's proven time and time again to have their shit together, is successful. part of blazing trails is taking what's been done in a new format. your own twist so to speak.

Counting bars just isn't enough. i'd say things have improved tremendously, but I see a lot of potential wasted because of lack of interest and lack of learning from other forms of music.

So practice the ever, watch the videos(the right ones), and pay attention to what makes great music great. then and only then will more people advance. the notation has it's merit though. it falls in line with doing what's been proven time and time again. but then it has it's pros and cons like anything else.

Not every musician outside of the scratch world learns by notation. just a little bit of theory perhaps simply because that's unavoidable for the most part.

And lack of composition. what is it about being obsessed with soloing like that's all a scratcher can ever do? I'll never understand how I or anyone else has gotten so wrapped up in soloing. so wrapped up. rediculous really.

you'll never really understand what other musicians go through or how they hone their musicality until you start making actual music by yourself or with others. Scratching obsessively over a 4/4 beat all day does not equal great musicianship. period. end of sentence.

If this could interface with Serato, FS or Torq it would be cool. Record it in real time and print out the notation to pass on for creating a group routine.

Skratching like any other form of music requires your ears to be open and aware of what you are doing...

I think alot of people are beyond "just counting bars" . That would be the typical assumption.. maybe 5 years ago.

Shit is changing, a large % of tablists are leaning towards musicality rather than technicality..

I think its great, IF IT SOUNDS GOOD.

I like to think of it like this. If you can do it, and someone who doesnt like rap or skratching or DJ'n, can like it, then you have succeeded. Like,"holy shit! that music is being made with turntables?" I like to see that look on peoples faces.

i agree. i'm being harsh, but i'm generalizing. you can't deny that many people are still on that bullshit. especially kids just starting out. it's not necessarily their fault but at the same time there ain't enough material skratchwise out to point em in good directions.

basically all i'm sayin is you're either awake or aware.
and i think you're a good spectator but do you actually make tracks?

How can you put copyright on scratches? That is dumb really.

I think this software is good (FOR FUN NOT LIVE PERFORMACE). People that will be using this live are just lazy people who does not know how to scratch...lazy to learn. This software is good if you don't have that much equipment on you just computer. If I love using Ableton Live but no turntables or good sound card to record on...I would use this...this would be perfect for me but please just don't use this live.

i agreed to not talk about this any more but here is a possible scenario where it could be a useful thing or this may help someone understand that it could help someone someday.

herbie hancock makes rockit.

DXT scratches the famous rockit scratch.

now later on janet jackson samples rockit or has someone else scratch the rockit scratch. not the music part just the scratch. does DXT have rights to that scratch? its ok for herbie to own the rockit score and music, but not ok for DXT to own the scratch he did on it? (BTW the scratch part, the turntable, of rockit is missing from the musical notation, its not included with the other instruments. strange. ) who got paid for janet to use the sample, herbie or DXT or both of them or nobody?

owning something doesnt mean not sharing. im sure even qbert owns the rights to his scratches. but he is more than happy to show you how he made them. this may be a hard concept for some to agree with but owning something is not always bad. he made wavetwisters but its not available for free to download. but he will show you how to do the scratches on it. q is making a lot of money scratching yet he also shares the knowledge that he owns.

if i want to legally perform hendrix on my guitar im supposed to pay for that. im sure that a lot of cover bands arent paying to play purple haze down at the local bar. so even though its not a sample of purple haze the hendrix estate still deserves to be paid for the use of that song. why is a turntable composition excluded from similar rights?

i know its disgusting to think about. being a professional musician is a business now matter what instrument you play, even the turntable.

yes but what you're saying is an obvious answer. whoever's got the rights to rockit is who gets paid. don't matter if they use the dxt sample or not.

a song is a song, and copyright is copyright. if you want to go to the trouble of copyrighting your shit and watching out for every infringement then go ahead.

but as you can see our artform is based on sampling. so for us to turn around and hate on sampling is pretty hipocritical. now taking an entire song or album and claiming it as yours is straight up infringement and there's nothing artful or respectful about it. those are the cases that SHOULD be looked at across the spectrum of all music.

as you can see it's a complicated issue. i think most of us didn't feel you were talking about a full song or album though. just basic kut combos you came up with or whatever. think about if the ahhh sample was always on blast or the fresh sample that came from the same record that dxt used on rockit. skratching as we've known it would be on some whole other shit. thank god fab five freddy don't give a fuck! time and place for everything.

Im pretty much 100% sure that Qbert doesnt own the right to any skratches... LOL the ones that made him most popular were made by other people; IE Dstyles, or MixMasterMike...

There is a fine line between 'inspired by', and 'copied from'

Havent you ever heard that saying," a good drummer copys, but a great drummer steals."

People owning sounds or sound compositions is fucking ridiculous. Lets go sue portishead for sampling 'magic mountain'... I mean come the fuck on...

Every sound already exists, its not like people own the sounds that comes out of the strings, they are there for everyone to use.

However, you can tell when something is a direct copy, and that does suck, that needs to be pointed out, and then boycotted..

Just like how big corporations are stealing street art, and putting it on clothes, then the artist communities boycott them. Do the corporations legally have the right to use illegal street art as their own? Maybe legally yes, but morally NO.

Biters wont last long, flippers will never be known.


@ '@Reezy'
Im going skating... ill post some kutts when I get back. But no, I dont produce music for sale. I write rhymes and I kutt. FOR FUN. Believe that? Of course not, youre all grown up and life is about $ and being productive blah blah blah.. Im 22 years old but when I kutt I feel about 16....hahaa fun times

"Good artists copy. Great artists steal" – Picasso
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"People owning sounds or sound compositions is fucking ridiculous." U2 or metallica might disagree. U2 shut down negativland because the album cover had a U2 plane on it. check out "sonic outlaws" fair use is fair use but owning your art isnt ridiculous.

now that Jon answered my question, I'm personally only monitoring this thread to see how much more of an arse Rezzy can make of himself

i just did double time chirp-5-click-orbits with it. muhahahah.

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Noob. Everyone can do those. ^_^

wrong, only people with good computers a mac

Weak's on point as always!

that's exactly why you should stop posting your opinions in this thread or any thread for that matter.

it's not about being grown up. it's about the love and passion that anyone who takes music seriously has for this artform. if you had that you'd be persuing something more substantial and your opinions might be backed with experience.

For the love of God - must we go through this again and again over and over etc etc...

READ THIS AND REMEMBER IT - it's right above the comments box:

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Flame wars are fuelled by words. If you don't like what someone has said, ignore them.

Thanks Papa Giz. ^_^

@ '@Rezzy'

I have a love and a passion for all sounds, and especially for manipulating them with a turntable (which happens to be the best way to do it). Isnt that why we are all fucking with these turntables?

I am currently working on releasing a groundbreaking break record, as well as a portable skratch box (like a mini lightweight QFO, but not gay) Shit takes a long time, and I dont give a fuck about copyrights this or that, when I'm done, Im gonna tell people how to make them for FREE. Detailed instructions for FREE. Why? Because its not about $ its about inspiration and creation. The faderbox, all that shit is coming and will be FREE.

Who are you anyways? not even using a name that can be attatched to you comments....

Checkit out, you dont have to be a good actor to know who the shitty ones are, so PZ.

hm, is it possible to do some sort of Apple Script to control this software without a mouse...??

I'll buy it if they have bikini DJ's at their booth.

I hear what your sayin. I don't got a prob with you really. names don't mean nuthin on forums as far as i'm concerned. actions do. But actions aren't really lived out in words.

Probably my last post here. and no offense gizmo. it's not really flaming or attacking reezy. or anyone else for that matter. But sometimes you have to question others backgrounds to get a better understanding of where they're coming from. all's fair. Not to mention i disagree with not being able to change someone's opinion. I think it's obviously not gonna come easy, but this is why humans interact. To share our thoughts and progress. it's our instinct to do so I Believe.

I don't even own any of these: Processor: Power PC G4 800 MHz (1 GHz), Any Intel
• Operating System: Mac OS X 10.4 or later
• 20 MB of disk space for application and Internet access for product activation

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Actually I did a paper for a media theory class a few years back and used this as an example. U2 didn't shutdown Negativeland, U2's lable Island records shut it down. There was an interview with members of Negativeland and The Edge in a magazine about the subject, and The Edge actually admitted that he thought Negativeland's take on their material was hilarious.

Point is, artists don't really mind sharing as long as the credit's given where it matters. It's all the lawyers & B.S. industry types we gotta watch out for.

WOW!!! can't believe every1 is gettin so up tight! maybe its not an amazing state of the art tool for tablists, but for kids starting out to scratch and producers that can't, y begrudge them this right?!
there r goin to be people that come on here, that would like to scratch, but have never known how to get started, this could be the perfect way and u never kno, they could be the next big thing!
also, for every1 sayin about this being boring and u should only use turntable, i'm guessing none of u use mpc's to make ur beats, just ur drumkits lol

STOP. THE. BUS. It doesn't even come CLOSE to sounding real. This is the lamest shiat I is ever heard. TERRIBLE. TERRIBLE. TERRIBLE. Shoot whoever wasted my time listening to the clips on their website. Shoot whoever thought this was a marketable idea. Shoot the programmers. Gizmo son, somebody must be payin' yo big bucks to put this crap on your site. Hope yo can sleep tight man. Jeez...

chill dood,

i think anybody with some cognition about scratching knows that this is more or less a gadget. But its good to understand scratch notation.
So its not crap. Its nice. As long as people dont try to use it as a substitute for their decks and mixers.

yo monophonic, you know what dude? your right. i should have just ignored this insteada gettin road rage. gizmo, i realise you gotta pay the bills, so i apologise. so dont shoot nobody. i just hate this novelty crap that demeans true turntablism. but f**k it man. that just my 2 cents. peace out y'all.

i like this idea. maybe it doesn't sound perfect, but it looks like a great way to sit down and work out a routine on paper and get an idea of how it sounds. when you're done you just print out the sheet and keep it in front of you...hit record and work the decks until you get it right.

sweetness.

thanks for the neat tool

@G -LOL- You ever heard of making a beat with a turntable? By hand? Why is not good for kids who are staring out and want to skratch? Because its like saying that Racing video games are practice for real driving. Thats ludicrous. They would have to un-learn whatever this poison injects their mind with. Why is not good for producers who cant skratch? Because you are taking $ away from the DJS who they used to pay to do it for them.

And fuck me if I ever hear this shit on a track.. I cant even stand hearing cd skratchers on a track.. like fucking SLDZ bullshit. ITS NOT REAL. ITS NOT SKRATCHING. Might as well tell kids to get a DM2 Mixman for their 1st setup. What a fucking Joke.

@ Dr. Shipman - finally another person not afraid to speak their mind....

@ Everyone - How many of you are reading this and dont ever post? How do you guys feel about this?

Dont be afraid to speak your mind.

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Dr Shipman - your attack on my integrity is bang out of order. News is news - it's gets posted without payment. But whether you like it or not, this is a valid news story. If you read the rest of the comments, you'd see that iScratch has the potential to be a very useful tool. Perhaps not for musical composition, but certainly for scratch notation.

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Mike - You have no idea how many times DJs use CDs for production. Take a listen to what the Scratch Perverts do with CDJs and tell me that isn't real. Not trying to change your mind - simply pointing out some facts.

Don't be afraid to open your mind.

Reezy, you seem more angry that you have all these great unique ideas but not the skill, time or knowledge to implement them. Ideas are free - realising a product and getting it to work as it should is not so easy, as you probably know. Although you may feel these things are trivial, I suspect you know it's not as easy as that. Try building relationships with people in a constructive way, and you might see more progress with your ideas. It's all very well screaming you know how things should be done, how it's all so obvious and it would make money if ONLY someone would listen to your ideas. But a year down the line they will still be ideas unless you can get people onboard to help you (or go through the learning process yourself). People will be very reluctant to help you if you approach them in your current manner.

Ultimately, this product will succeed or fail on it's own merits and market forces. It's a paid for product. If you don't like it, don't use it and don't pay for it to support development. There's no point being angry about it.
I'd much rather give someone a little free guidance and feedback than denounce their hard work and then go and sulk about the injustice in the scratch equipment world.

As for comments about the holy scratch scene and how demeaning this product is - I'm not even going to go there. I can't relate to those feelings - these sort of products obviously don't have the same kind of effect on me.....

the idea of "copyrighting" scratch routines is so scandalous...
Shame on you )
I like this new software tool based on TTM, it will help a lot of people to practice and improve their skills.
Perfect for a dj skool !
One last thing: pc freeware or nothing )

The idea of notation is cool, as I think there are a lot of people who are predisposed to learn in a more visual context. On the other hand, some of the finest innovations in scratching came from someone trying to recreate what they heard on a tape, and coming up with a completely new scratch (can anyone say "flare"?). So I guess this can be viewed as a possible stepping stone to bring people into scratching, but obviously, cannot replace the excitement of the actual movements used to make scratches.

I do see this offereing some opportuinties to producers as well, as there are a lot of people that make beats and want to have cuts in their tracks, but don't have the ability to do so, and might not know anyone who can cut very well to record to the tune.

Time will tell if tis product has any impact, or what its actual use and implementation by the scratch community will be.

And as far as SSL being able to notate, with the 57 there could be a record of every fader adjustment and movement, every manipulation of the control record, every tweak of the eq, every flick of the transform (joystick) switch, so that totally possible that if the Serato team decided to implement that feature, it could happen. The magic of a totally digital mixer...

Dr Dre composes some notation for a bass track for his song. a bass player looks at the notation or listens to what dr dre played on the midi keyboard. the bass player plays it. its ok for him to own that?

Dr Dre uses iscratch to compose a scratch. a turntablists looks at it and then scratches it. not ok to own that?

it is scandalous isnt it? but i like the idea of having non Turntablists compose for the turntable as an instrument. in my opinion this elevates turntablism to a higher level of acceptance outside the community. just because you have a right to it doesnt mean that you have to keep other from using it fairly and freely thats your choice as the artist.

BTW i am not talking about going "one click flare i own it give $1 for every one click flare". im talking about going, "wavetwisters" and notating out the entire composition. then getting everyone together to do it live from the sheet music like a turntable orchestra. with Q as the conductor.... he would own the sheet music and the composition in a new way that i think is good.

everyone one has a right to their opinion thanks for reading mine.

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with Q as the conductor.... he would own the sheet music and the composition in a new way that i think is good.

Don't know if this would be a good thing...

The idea of the programm is nice and since we moved on and share the knowledge of scratching, I believe it will be a benefit for our scene on the long run.

like anything, it's what you make of it!

utter bullshit

I think Jon's got a point in some way's in regards to the whole copyright thing. Not syaing you should copyright scratches but it raises an interesting point.

the Jackson sample of Rockit, who owns the copyright to rocket will get the payment.

However what if i went into the studio and specifically re-did DXT's fresh cuts for the Jackson record. It's not sampling rockit, but does the track now contain an element of rockit?

If you use other mucial notation then atrack contians "elements of" should that be the same with Scratching.

For the record, i don;t really have a problem with this program. use it how you use. If you have an idea in your head and want to work it out and then transpose it to the reallife i don't see the problem with that. thats no different to using a Notaion system in CUbas eor Logic or Protools is it?

I mean we want to be taken seriously as Musiccians don't we?

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Right......read some of this lot but to be fair theres alot of shite I'd rather not be reading (stop ur arguments children).

Just on the copyright tip. There are two different types of copyright. Theres mechanical copyright and interlectual copyright (or so i have been taught in the past). The mechanical copyrights the CD and the recording of whatever the interlectual content is. The interlectual content being the ideas which exist right from the moment you come up with an idea. These are also able to be copyrighted although it is harder to proove unless you have something visual to show ur ideas.

So in that way skratch notation is cool. But not to copyright individual skratches. However if wanting to copyright a load of combos using different samples in the section of a piece of music U've written I think this could be a welcome idea....

Just my two pence.

P.S. the software looks Wack.

sir nerdlingtons

Copyrighting scratches is ridiculous.
I don't want to see two DJs in a courtroom arguing over how one "stole" the other ones scratch. Music shouldnt be something you can own, but the industry is changing that.