It is a fact universally acknowledged that Serato Scratch Live owns the digital vinyl market - so much so that any other manufacturer would be quite mad to bring out something new to compete with it's dominance. But Numark are on a bit of a roll right now so they decided to go for broke and bring out a vinyl manipulation program. Some might say it's a misguided move but Numark's new Virtual Vinyl does have an ace up it's sleeve - it manipulates video data as well. Take that SSL!
Now I'm no expert on these digital solutions but this Virtual Vinyl package does seem to offer the same feature set of it's competitors as well as a whole lot more. But of most interest is the video manipulation. I don't think Pioneer need to panic about DVJ-X1 sales anytime soon but from what we saw, Virtual Vinyl is a very capable video mixer. Taking in a wide variety of formats, you'll be able to add your own snippets of just about anything you want - even sad home movies if you want.
Read the marketing speak:
Virtual Vinyl Virtual Vinyl is Numark’s premier DJ hardware and software solution that lets you scratch, mix and sample digital audio and video files using your computer and any analog turntable or CD player. Using a traditional turntable or CD player (sold separately) and included control vinyl or CDs to control digital media content, Virtual Vinyl provides in-depth features including; master tempo, seamless looping, instant pitch matching, automatic beat-matching, BPM-aware effects, hot-cues, sampling, and more. The software includes two independent zero-latency virtual decks, seamlessly controlled by traditional 12” records that are familiar to DJs. Virtual Vinyl can play any digital audio file including; MP3, MP3Pro, WAV, AIFF, direct CD, WMA, Ogg Vorbis, MP4, iTunes (non-DRM), and more. Virtual Vinyl is compatible with music subscription services such as Yahoo! Music Unlimited, Virgin Music, Napster Music, and others. In addition to its reliable audio capabilities, Virtual Vinyl gives access to a whole new world of video mixing possibilities. Turntablists can now scratch, beat juggle and mix their favorite videos directly from their turntables. Virtual Vinyl’s video output can be displayed on any video monitor, television, projector or computer with ease. Additionally, Virtual Vinyl is equipped to play any DVD, VOB, DIVX, MPG, AVI, and Karaoke (CDG), files. "
Sounds good huh? Well when we watched various DJs do demos, it performed pretty flawlessly. But here's the odd thing - the publicity image clearly shows an Apple Powerbook but as far as I'm aware, this software doesn't run on a Mac - yet. How dare these people get my hopes up and mislead me so!
But wait - haven't we seen this before? Well it sure does look a lot like
Virtual DJ. I don't think it's much of a secret that it's certainly based on Virtual DJ but to what extent the relationship between Numark and Virtual DJ extends to is unclear. An email is in with Numark - hopefully we'll get a response soon.
So with a big hitter like Numark behind such a product, the stakes have been raised in the digital DJ stakes - "I'll see your MP3 playback and looping and raise you video output and music subscription". Time will tell as to whether Virtual Vinyl can walk the SSL walk. I for one look forward to receiving my Mac version to test. It's on it's way right? Hello?
As usual we were on hand to grab a quick demo from Chris Roman at Numark and on the decks is DJ Getdown - usually on the Gemini stand but did the early morning duties for the demo. Click on the movie to watch Getdown do his thing. And remember kids, use
VLC if you're having problems watching the movie.
Cool. This is the one I was waiting on.
:cry: my pc wont let me play quicktime plz tell me u have this in a realplayer
I've seen the video but, how is VirtualVinyl connected???? Cause I only see 4 RCAs. I don't understand
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Byez
cross+fade - use VLC.
Koitz_roller - white USB cable out the side.
Whats Virtual Dj like as a software program? Anyone tried it in comparison to Serato/Traktor/Mixvibes?
What about sound quality and master tempo quality?
There's some more info over at the VDJ forums. But from what I gathered from my sources, Virtual Vinyl is Numarks version of VDJ 4.x. VDJ 4.x will have a new sound engine, so better scratch EMU and better Master Tempo. Still no real details on Numarks own soundcard if it will work with VDJ 4.x. Also, Numarks Virtual Vinyl is aimed towards the TCV and TCCD users, but VDJ 4.x version will support that along with external controllers. But no word if the Behringer BCD2000 and if the iCDX will have native support in VDJ 4.x..BTW, VDJ timecoded vinyls don't have the Track Selection region on them like SSL has on their Control Signal vinyls. Take that!
As for Numarks Virtual Vinyl and VDJ 4.x does video and SSL doesn't, SOOOOO.. not everybody wants to mix and scratch videos. I always say, try before you buy and to each their own. I'll be plenty happy once I get my Rane TTM57SL with SSL 1.6.
I know Mixvibes Pro 6 handles scratching video, but I don't know who does it better? Maybe VDJ does..?
The fact that this software doesn't close down if you try to play Chingy makes me not want to buy it.
What is it really is it zero latency or veery low latency because those two are really different?!# I like all the features but latency, master tempo, quick load of the music is really a big thing. Plus, does it support itunes library? That's how I organize my musics and video's.
I´m very happy that auto beatmixing and auto pitch adjust are included - I allway wonderes why ssl did not have these essential features; pretty lame beatmixing manually on a 3,3 ghz pc
Hip hop's not my cup of tea but that demo was pretty tight. I'd like to see the Chemical Brothers or some other group using this live...
more and more dj's are moving away from their ears and more on thier eyes. Just like the Pioneer 909 where you can "see" the crossfader curve. Can you imagine if you told a professional guitarist that you've put an interface on a guitar to measure the action on the string instead of doing it by feel the way it's supposed to? They'd laugh at you.
If someone want's to see another movie with Rockid behind the denks,
http://www.aboutdj.nl/content/view/316/2/First link in the Numark chapter, rest of the movies at that page are from Ortofon and Pioneer.
im not too sure bout this one
that video skratching looked pretty shoddy if you ask me. I mean lil screens rotating in front of the screen? is that just a setting on there? can you skratch full screen? I was not feeling it at all.
"see these ice creams"
other than the video im sure its nice tho
Yo Giz,
Any progress on a Ms Pinky review. I've always wanted to see how it stacks up to the big boys at a fraction of the price.
gizmo:cross+fade - use VLC.
Koitz_roller - white USB cable out the side.
reply:
thanks mate
ha i just so that it says that to i miss it in the news post
lol my bad mate
The Axledental DJ:
Actually, the Numark Virtual vinal has the track selection region on there...DJ Rockid showed me how it work and i even tried it myself :blink:
dope man...
o my god this rocks lol now i have to buy a a tv for my gig so everyone can see the vids when is this out mate ?
dj cross+fade:
numark says july in US, september in europe...
I think the 'vee jay' part will really go over well in clubs!
The drunk and/or under whatever influence clients will also love it..
Just, please, don't try to play porn...
Mixing video might be interesting at a Z-Trip show but to each it's own. If SSL ever bothers with video hopefully it's a plug-in I can opt to not bother with and those who want to fork out the extra cash can have their video.
How much will this cost?
$499 USD
http://sixstardj.com/nuvividjhaso.html
Is it just me or is watching a piece of video being scratched back and forth not actually that entertaining after about 30 seconds. Don't get me wrong it's a nice supplement to good music but I can't tell you how many VJs I've seen and not been bowled over by the same scratched people back and forth' or nice shapes and colours. The most creative was still dj Yoda with his 80's cartoon video tour, but still at best just made you laugh a bit seeing He-Man or the Magic Roundabout go backwards - forwards - backwards - forwards. Someone needs to get on the case.
sammyd - it's a point I make again and again. Turntablism as we define it has to evolve and adapt to be used in the VJ world. Sure - we can take a degree of baby scratch style sets and in it's most basic form, this is how most budding VJs will perform. But there's only so much traditional scratch techniques that can be used in the VJ scene. It's going to be much more about mixing and blending images than crabs or juggles. Let's face facts - a video crab is basically going to be ugly and headache inducing. This doesn't mean they can't be used - imagine taking 2 totally different film clips and juggling them into a conversation over a beat - that's an example of how it will develop.
It's going to be a matter of a skilled turntablist taking a long hard look at what potentially could be done and taking it out to the masses.
I know it is not a Numark only thing, but some of You were talking about these DVJ scratching and not being that entertaining...
Well... check DJ 2nd Nature's videos... DOPE!
http://www.dj2ndnature.com/dvj/
I recently got hooked on Virtual DJ, its a sick application. I have only used it with CDJ 1000s and not the records, but its spot on. I also use a Trigger Finger for controlling FX and it works like a dream. There is a big difference between the Demo version and the Full version. If this Numark thing is anything like VDJ, its gonna kick ass. But it would be better if they come out with a Mac version too.
I wonder if they would support linux, linux systems are a lot faster then Windows, and I can't afford to buy a iMac. I'd love to see Digital Vinyl for the half of the price of Serato.. I'll definately get it
Scratching Video is indeed cool but not that entertaining to the "viewers", but the power here is not that feature, but the fact the video is looped with Audio loops and the video transition effects are priceless.
This method of DJ'ing is the most costly though, you'll need a mighty Laptop if your projecting out to a large screen (huge file sizes).
The comming of Virtual Vinyl will for sure but SSL a step or ten back!
but = put, hehe
sooooooo.....
"I mean lil screens rotating in front of the screen? is that just a setting on there? can you skratch full screen?"
anyone?
also, its enough trouble tryin to lock down an audio performance and now cats will be tryin to nail video too?
that means that it will either take twice as long to perfect your sets or both audio and video will suffer from it.
there is alot of work to be done in this department.
yo Gizmo wehn is the review comming ?
from :d:
@spencer: The rotating video image during the scratch is an example of the new effect processor in vdj4. it is a transition effect that could be used for transforming from a song to the next one. It is also possible to scratch full screen in the current version of vdj (3.4)
@all, virtual vinyl will be available for both the mac and windows:
http://www.virtualdj.com/forums/48567/General_Discussion/VDJ_Possible_On_Mac_.htmlBy tweaking some intel macs, they got it running alrady on a mac laptop, which was probably used for the demos in Germany as well.
Ewout
Sure hope its more than that rotating screen thing. Too bad thats al they showed off.
i love it ^_^ review gizmo!!! ^_^
I actually got dizzy looking at the rotating screens...I hope they come up with something better to knoe you are bring the other track in...like a rec out to the box to when you are actually playing that song live instead of making people see the cueing up and getting the other song ready...or use the fader start on some mixers to get that information sent back to box so that the program knows you are bring the other video in...just my ideas... :d: rules!
This looks interersting. Its good they at least having a try at the market and adding some healthy competition to it.
Im interested in this VJ thing. How does it work exactly? When you cut the video with the crossfader, does it like make the screen go blank, freeze it or what?
@Wicked. They don't have to come up with something better, because they already have it. In the current version there is a video crossfader. So cueing and beatmixing is not seen if the video crossfader is set to the other channel, just like a normal scratch mixer. What is shown in the video is a transition effect. Download the vdj demo and you could try what it is about.
@bomber. There are 2 crossfaders within vdj, the normal crossfader for the music, like on a normal mixer. The other one is a video crossfader, which controls the video. Both could be linked together within the software. Both could also be attached (seperately or linked) to an external controller or mixer with midi (nuo4, djm800). If you move the video crossfader to a deck without a video loaded, the screen could go to black, to an image, or to a visual (like in winamp). This could be chosen within the application. If you move the crossfader to a deck with video, then this video will be displayed.
Ewout
I wish these companies would just concentrate on one thing, thats why Serato is coming out on top at the moment because it does the basic thigns reliable and arguably better than the rest.
Now I understand everyones excited about the prospect of moving a video back and forth, and i can't wait to see load sof Max Headroom style freakouts in clubs to give the epileptics something else to worry about other tah strobes, but just think of:
A: how much you're limiting the music you can play by using Video
B: where you'll be able to play
Now how many, drummers, Guitarists, pianists etc... worry about triggering video... not many, they concentrate on the music and leave the visuals to professionals...
just my opinion though
There are so many transition styles, the rotating video displayed was unfortunately only one of them. Its a shame they only demonstrated the one.
As VDJ stands now, the video is an extended option which you can disable. I'm pretty sure they will keep this as an option when Virtual Vinyl is released.
That will pretty much mean it will operate in the same fashion as SSL except with a few added features like master tempo, looping functions, auto bpm calculation and matching and special fx built in like flanger, echo, reverse and what not.
I'm looking forward to the new sound engine that is promised and hopefully the sound quality is up to the mark. Bring on SSL!
big up to the misspinky kru. see their site for mo phatnezz than U kan safely shake a stik @
www.mspinky.com
peace
:cry:
NUMARK VIRTUAL VINLY will be available both for PC's and MAC
And as far as track selection track on the physical timecode vinyls...well wait and see
NEW timecode vinyls will come togheter with the release of NVV
Regards
Dj-in-norway
VDJ Support Team
http://www.virtualdj.com
I'm thinking about picking this up?
is Scratch Live still the best in everyone's opinion?
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ok so how do u connect it i didnt see any rca wat do u guyz thinkz better ssl or this numark thing
New CDX, with fixed drives + integration with Software ala iCDX + this/SSL = oh shit!
Yes, Virtual Vinyl will integrate directly with Numark iCDX too
Perfect controller and cd player for software, and real cds
Virtual Vinyl 
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