So it's the witching hour and it's time for the world exclusive. And I think it's quite a biggie.
In recent times calls have been made for manufacturers to put hard disks inside their CD decks and Numark have been listening. Ladies and gentlemen - I bring you the Numark HDX.
The information arrived last week and being the responsible reporter that I am, I blackmailed Numark into giving me the exclusive or else I'd send it all their competitors. No but seriously... I did. :blink:
So a CDX with an 80gig drive in it that you can link to either Mac or PC and use a keyboard for navigation - tasty or what!
Anyway, here's the official bumph: Product Description
The Numark HDX is the world’s first and only tabletop HD/CD/MP3 player. With an ultrahigh torque motorized 12” platter, the HDX utilizes a real vinyl record for the ultimate vinyl feel. Now you can dramatically reduce the weight of the music you transport, and increase the volume and variety of your library.
Styled after Numark’s highly successful CDX player, the new HDX is the most advanced DJ media player available. Complete with an onboard hard drive, USB 2.0 ports, and an 8x CD reader, the HDX is the perfect tool for professional and aspiring performing DJs, mobile DJs, producers and club installers.
The HDX includes a removable 80 GB hard drive supporting MP3, WMA, and WAV media formats. The unit’s enhanced search capabilities facilitate easy file location by artist, album, genre, track, plus BPM. With high-speed USB 2.0 connectivity, you now have full access to the hard drive for both Mac and PC, making updating of content easier than ever.
Positioning
The new HDX is the ultimate digital turntable, providing you with the benefits of a “real” vinyl control surface, and giving you random access to audio that only a hard drive can provide.
Applications
From scratch and mobile DJs, to producers and DJs in live bands, the HDX is designed to support all the needs of the digital DJ of today and tomorrow.
Dimensions & Weight Dimensions: 17.75" x 14.5" x 3.625"(HxWxD) (371mm x 451mm x 92mm) Weight: 22 lbs / 10kg
Key Features & Benefits
1) Authentic turntable feel • Ultra-high torque (4.7 kgf cm) direct drive motor • Full size 12” platter holds a real user replaceable vinyl record
2) Extensive DSP functionality • Scratching, looping, smart looping via Numark’s proprietary Beatkeeper™ technology, auto beat matching • Beat-synched effects include sonar, slide, filter, echo, chop • ±100% pitch control, Key Lock
3) Slot load CD transport • Fast CD loading • Front-load slot
Q. Is the hard drive upgradeable? A. Yes, with any standard 2.5” hard drive.
Q. If the hard drive crashes, can I still use the CD player on the unit? A. No, HDX requires the hard drive to be functioning in order for not only the hard drive functionality, but the CD capability as well.
Q. How can I load songs? A. Songs can be loaded using various methods: - Insert a CD into the built-in CD drive and rip directly to the unit. - Record audio that is connected via the LINE IN RCA input jacks on the I/O panel. - Songs can be loaded to the hard drive using the USB 2.0 connector. When connected to a PC, the HDX is seen as a USB mass-storage device. Be sure to eject/stop the HDX connection on the PC before disconnecting the USB connection.
Q. What bit-rates can I rip or record audio at? A. Audio can be ripped or recorded at the following bit rates: No Compression (wav format) 192 kilobytes/second (Compressed - CD Quality) 320 kilobytes/second (Compressed - Professional Quality)
Q. Can I search for tracks on the hard drive using a keyboard? A. Yes. A keyboard can be connected via the PS/2 jack on the I/O panel. This can be used to search for tracks via any search method. Track searching/selection can also be done directly on the unit using the rotary encoder, the keyboard is not necessary.
Q. Can I create new playlists directly on the unit? A. Yes. You can create and edit playlists directly on the unit using the rotary encoder and by following the intuitive on-screen instructions. Playlists can be created by accessing the PLAYLIST option when the MENU button is pressed.
Q. What audio/data formats does the HDX support? A. The HDX supports the following file formats from the hard drive and CD: - MP3 - WAV - WMA
Q. Why is it important to have a 12” motorized platter with vinyl record and slipmat? A. For professional DJs, a 12” motorized platter with vinyl record and slipmat provides the essential experience of -The DJ uses the active motion of a motorized platter to scratch and adjust pitch.
Q. Can the DJ use their own records and slipmats? A. Yes, the HDX can be easily customized with another record and slipmat.
Q. What is the torque and why is this important? A. Torque is the force of the platter moving. In the HDX it is the current industry maximum of 4.7 Kgf cm. This is important because, the DJ uses the resistance of this force in order to scratch effectively. Poor torque, such as that found with a belt drive, means the platter will not stand up to the rigors of heavy scratching.
Q. What is smart looping? A: Smart looping is a feature that lets the user make perfect loops every time by using the Beatkeeper™ to create the loop. The user will press the smart loop button, then press the in and out buttons close to the beat they want to loop on. The Beatkeeper aligns and quantizes the loop to be perfect. With the +/- buttons the user can then double or half the loop.
Q. What other cool features are on the HDX? A. Fashioned after our premium TTX and CDX turntables, the HDX is rugged and durable. We have added all the features you would expect in a high quality turntable to make the user experience almost identical to using real vinyl. We have also added all the latest in digital technology that make DJing so much fun. A built in Beatkeeper gives accurate and instant BPM readouts. Key Lock allows users to change pitch +/- 100% yet still maintain the current key. The built in DSP processor allows creative effects to be used. Stutter allows the user to jump around the music instantly and still control the music via the vinyl record. Cue point storage allows the user to jump instantly to stored points and not spend time cuing up. MIDI makes this unit fully controllable in a studio environment. Combined these features make the Numark HDX the ultimate DJ tool.
So there you have it - we've finally got what we wanted and then some. Being able to link one up to a computer and have it act like an external device is cool. I'm sure some clever DJ will do some magic with SSL as well.
And this time it looks like clear vinyl on there so you'll be able to customise your HDX with new slipmats. But don't quote me on that.
The HDX is being announced now as it's due to make an appearance on Sunday at PLASA 2005, and of course we'll be there to get pictures and video of it in action (assuming it's linked up to anything).
Prices and ETA as yet unknown. More to come.
So was it worth waiting up for?
199 comments to this story
On 10-09-2005 01:00, Soba commented...
first post!
On 10-09-2005 01:01, Deft commented...
Props to Numark - thank god a company is actually building what we want!
Soba - the irony is that if you'd read your Lounge PMs before you went to bed, you'd have known then!
On 10-09-2005 01:06, GiJay commented...
Indeed... much of respect to numark. I hope that pioneer takes their competition seriously now...
On 10-09-2005 01:07, Soba commented...
Yeah, i did, but not till this morning. Still i wanted all the specs etc. Looks pretty amazingly good! My only question is a biggie: can it use external HDs using the USB ports?
On 10-09-2005 01:15, me like numark commented...
I hope they add support for ogg ^_^ and would be cool with avi/mov support to
On 10-09-2005 01:16, Deft commented...
WHAT'S THE PITCH RESOLUTION? Also, I'd like Ogg support. Thanks.
On 10-09-2005 01:17, Quigley commented...
wow, impressive
rip a cd right into the unit..sick
How much is it?
On 10-09-2005 01:22, monophonic commented...
cool machine. i hope the price is not too high.
On 10-09-2005 01:27, insight commented...
yo giz i was just wondering, with the audio in function would it be possible to hook up another turntable, like the digital stantons (str8150) and record straight to the hard drive? im guesing this would be the same as taking from another audio device like it says?
Well the USB is audio in/out so in theory it could be possible. Time will tell. Unless someone from Numark answers the questions on here before Sunday, I'll be sure to make a note of them and ask myself.
On 10-09-2005 01:31, Soba commented...
You'd definitely be able to connect the Stanton's line out to the HDX's line in and just do the conversion to digital in the HDX
On 10-09-2005 01:50, SpAzZ commented...
Giz - I am totally speechless. What a proactive company Numark is. They are always steps ahead of the competition. My question to you is do you think they've overcome the current probs with the CDX, mainly the CD drive probs?
On 10-09-2005 01:56, SpAzZ commented...
I also hope they addressed the heat issues with heatsinks or better ventilation.
On 10-09-2005 01:57, The Axledental DJ commented...
What! What happened to Numarks HDCD1? I see no good reviews for it, last time I touched the prototype and I couldnt understand on how to get it to work, but I did find out you could replace the internal HDD with a 3.5 400GB HDD. Now, the HDX uses a laptop HDD, they only go up to 120GBs! How would you combine SSL to use with the HDX? I dont know.. What they didnt do yet is.. Numark should have put a VGA/DVI output on the Numark HDX, so you could add a Display. So, when you use the keyboard thats attached to the HDX, you'd seach and you would see a larger seaching GUI in your display!
On 10-09-2005 02:10, spoon commented...
more pics please
On 10-09-2005 02:12, Pætur Magnussen commented...
Allright
On 10-09-2005 02:27, dj cross+fade commented...
bow to this its god
On 10-09-2005 02:32, Do U think ??? commented...
Do U think it can come even close to the quality of Denon DN-S5000 ????? Don't be silly !!!
On 10-09-2005 02:35, SpAzZ commented...
@The Axledental DJ I understand what you mean, but then you would need to put in a motherboard and additional RAM, then the heat factor woud increase dramatically.
On 10-09-2005 02:47, One silly DJ commented...
Is that an DNS5000 I see on top of the site under CD DECKS ???
On 10-09-2005 02:57, Reezy commented...
sweet!
I wonder how hard it is, or if anyone has even tried to swap the CD drive in a cdx with a hard drive (IDE cables right?) ?
Cool that it has both.. and the line in record means that you can skratch sounds that you just created live seconds before!
I wonder how the CDX line is gonna go? I predict next comes the all format dvd/cd AV turntable
On 10-09-2005 03:06, Soba commented...
You like your multi-formats huh Reezy? The only think i'm concerned about with this deck is the logistics of running two or more of them, it really makes more sense to me to run them all off one harddrive. A built-in drive is no good for club installation either, it pretty much limits serious use of the HD to home setups unless you want to drag your decks everywhere or spend all afternoon uploading before your set. Perhaps even the ability to USB chain HDXs and have access to all their drives on every deck? Still a very big step in the right direction!
On 10-09-2005 03:08, murj commented...
Nice. The next step is to throw a tonearm on there and make it vinyl compatable. Also two rca outputs would be great for a cd player so if you have it setup as a 3rd deck going into your 2 channel battle mixer, it can be pluged into both channel line inputs so you don't have to worry about not having the right channel open to switch to line.
On 10-09-2005 03:10, DJ DeeJay commented...
Looks nice, but Numark is still Numark. I'd go for Denon any time !
On 10-09-2005 03:32, Soba commented...
So much un-backed up brand bias....
On 10-09-2005 03:35, wow commented...
this is what I've been waiting for, for some time. Finally someone has come up with a digital turntable + HD. Now maybe this will cause Technics will rethink their DZ1200 and come up with a decent Mark II.
On 10-09-2005 04:08, Dj Rocky commented...
DJ DeeJay commented... Looks nice, but Numark is still Numark. I'd go for Denon any time ! Perhaps Numark doesn't look cool and doesn't have as many features as denon, but it's pretty reliable. I'm very disapointed of Denon first with the dn-s5000 'cause it's belt then I bought The DN-D6000. Last saturday I was working with it and skipped many times, it was so embarrassing. I went back to exchange it for a Numark CDN-90. Maybe I've got bad luck with denon but I won't buy it ever again. (As the matter of fact I'm selling the 5000's)
On 10-09-2005 04:22, Breeze commented...
No VBR on the mp3s? C'mon Numark. And why does the CD drive not function independently of the HD? Just a couple nitpicks...overall it looks intriguing.
On 10-09-2005 05:18, dj cross+fade commented...
how much ? usa im getting this and not ssl i dont need it is it sata hard drive i would like to put 500 gb hard drive in it
On 10-09-2005 05:29, Soba commented...
dj cross-fade, read the article. It can take any 2.5" drive and the price has not been announced yet. Breeze- It only says it won't rip to VBR, not that it can't play them. Wow- i wouldn't hold my breath on Technics, they haven't released anything revolutionary in 20 years.
On 10-09-2005 06:22, dj cross+fade commented...
very ture about tecs thing is y did numark stop there . In theory they should be able to add 5 inch LCD screens that shows u ur play list and let u mix dvd on it numark can do it there almost there on this dont go hafe way!!! whould i be able to hook up the hdx to each other and copy tracks that i just rec on one hdx or all songs to each other so that i have the same songs on each one if not they need to do this!!! plus i feel that the dial should be used like a ulrta pitch when a button is pushed this whould be good to have cuse its hard to fine pitch when its set to 25% or higher. so the dial whould puch it up or down by 5% like the ultra pitch fader on the vestax pdx 2300 mk 2 pro and the lcd should be above the fx buttons i know its it is to small to put one so make it alitte bigger so that we mobble djs can look st8 at what we playing and every other type of djs to so what do u all think of my idea
On 10-09-2005 07:02, Ragman commented...
What the hell did you just say...???
On 10-09-2005 09:21, DJ Awyse commented...
Lack of VBR? I'll stick with final scratch 2 and my techs
On 10-09-2005 09:53, wicked commented...
Why!...what about us regular cdx's owners, i wonder if there would be some sort of upgrade we can do! I'll be happy to pay for something like this!
On 10-09-2005 09:55, nicknack commented...
Exactly.
mmm huh.
On 10-09-2005 10:08, Wicked commented...
CDX's Up for sell One 2 -months Old and the other 4-months still under warranty with everything included! hahahaha damn i want the HDX!
On 10-09-2005 11:06, skratchboarder commented...
they could've just as well pop a tonearm on it...that'd be sick :-) but yea...this is exactly what DEFT had in mind for such a long time...finally it's here...lets hope its a banger from Numark... thx for the update Gizmo...and stop threatening these companies so much!!! I could almost imagine you at it!!!...haha... ^_^
On 10-09-2005 11:14, loop skywalker commented...
you know what would make this unit even more attractive would to be the function of smart sampling...well they should develope that idea and have it where you can sample like boss rc20 pedal and keep on building layers of samples..that would be cool.
On 10-09-2005 11:36, Deft commented...
I think everyone's expectation was that HD based players were coming at some point. It does seem to have taken longer than we expected but I was pleasantly surprised when Mark sent me the info. I'm not sure how long product development pipelines are at audio equipment companies - but there must be more in development around the world. Hopefully this will be the catalyst for more of these style of combo units.
On 10-09-2005 11:59, boabmatic commented...
don't like the sound of this....especially with the reliability probs me and my mates have had with the original cdx...
Q. If the hard drive crashes, can I still use the CD player on the unit? A. No, HDX requires the hard drive to be functioning in order for not only the hard drive functionality, but the CD capability as well.
On 10-09-2005 12:09, dj cross+fade commented...
boabmatic was up mate threes probs with the cdx ? what kind
On 10-09-2005 12:16, dj cross+fade commented...
i said that i wish they had ultra pitch like the vestax pdx 2300 mk 2 pro and a 5 inch lcd screen in back of the fx buttons (sry about the miss type its 3am here mates lol) and let u mix dvds all in sort
On 10-09-2005 12:17, tdo commented...
so it's a cd player that use vinyl to control the CD/MP3 and it has a hard drive???? but you still can't your normal vinyl on it? hhhhmmmmm i'll stick with SSL
On 10-09-2005 12:26, Soba commented...
I think some of you are missing the point...Manufacturers need to walk before they can run, and integrating the new HD technology into the already proven CDX chassis seems like a good move to me. Noone said you had to ditch your 1200s for this. I'd rather have a deck that did a few things well than everything badly, and i know if they did build a do-it-all deck you'd all complain about the (obviously) high price anyway
On 10-09-2005 13:15, SlyasPie commented...
I would be a bit sceptical about shelling out for a new version of a numark toy when the old version didnt work correctly, instead of enhancing and fixing the faults the old unit had they seem to have added lots more bits that will potentially go wrong!! I just cant bare to think what the price will be either, the cdx's were vastly over priced for the flimsy plastic unit so you can imagine Numark will be wearing masks when they unveil the asking price for this updated flimsy plastic unit..
On 10-09-2005 14:12, boabmatic commented...
hey crossfade....
we had probs with the cd loading/not reading any discs, would start looping randomly when playing, random static clicks when playing, having to turn on/off during a set due to them hanging up when selecting tracks...etc etc.....
mine seam to be working again but have no confidence in them so going to switch back to my 1200's with Serato ...
On 10-09-2005 14:35, DJ DeeJay commented...
@ DJ Rocky
Man, U just wasn't lucky there. Denon ROCKS big time. I had D2000, than D2500f, than D2600f, than s1000, and now s5000. The only model I ever had problems with was 2000f, and it was released more than 8 years ago. All other models worked, and some are still working just fine. 2500f needed some lens cleaning, others didn;t even require that. So, when I say Denon is stil Denon, and Numark is still Numark, I know what I mean. I worked on Numarks, Gemini, Technics, Pio, and still Denon holds all of them in in its hand.
On 10-09-2005 15:04, O-Flip commented...
Are kidding me? This product is the next big thing If Numark HDX got a tone arm for vinyl it would be the ultimate hybrid DJ Player
But it's a good start for something new like this It's still new in the market
If people read a good review all over on the net This stuff will be the next hot seller
I'm sure Numark finally found the formula every DJ's looking for 3 modes of a Hybrid DJ player i. Vinyl ii. CD iii. Hard Disc
There's nothing more hybrid DJ Player than that
On 10-09-2005 15:51, Kev commented...
What about the overheat issues from the original cdx??? And why on earth must they keep putting effects on everything. If it's to be like a tt why always add the super cheese effects to get it into the wrong hands.
On 10-09-2005 15:52, dj mix commented...
PITCH RESOLUTION??????
On 10-09-2005 16:34, Gyro commented...
Like Soba said, some of you are totally out of point here, I think you don't understand: Numark seems to not only have improved the CDX (they surely did not only put a HD in it and then here it goes! but that means you won't have any media to transport; all of your songs being on your HD. Just upload your mp3s on it, close your coffin and you're ready to go! Yes they could have put a tonearm on it but hey; 1- What would be the price of it? Same as Pio DVJ-1000? 2- How (with that chassis) could you switch from CD control to vinyl, still the vinyl controller on it needs to be attached to control the CD? Numark had bad times in the last 10 years playing the second violins role, but I think that Denon is losing their place, being some sort of followers. Numark rules and it's a fact. They listen to what DJ wants and don't wait 5 years to put a killer product out. Without being an industry standard, it's a fu***** great way they're taking!
On 10-09-2005 16:37, mowgli commented...
this is a dope one. just look at that silver vinyl steez.
On 10-09-2005 16:48, 12micsn1 commented...
I dont see HDX vs SSL a real argument from the competition since you have all you need with SSL, 2 turntables, laptop or desktop with a large hardrive. You dont have to worry about spending any extra money and you have a proven system with SSL. You have the can do all system. I can put my system up against this latest offering an destroy it in what i can do on traditional turntables. Why do these manufacturers keep trying to sell hardware? Alot of it just sits on the shelves gathering dust or can be found on ebay for so much less in months after being released. You have the best hybrid system with SSL anythingelse that comes along are nothing but a late to the party scenerio. Enough said argument dead on arrival. Game over period.
On 10-09-2005 16:51, SpAzZ commented...
I think the HD storage should be put on a mixer. That way it centrally locates your data and all companies would need is to make software mods on their decks with usb or midi connectors to the mixer (up to 3 connections) for syncing and data transfer. Just a thought.
On 10-09-2005 16:55, SpAzZ commented...
By the way, that's why I think SSL is so great, because it puts the focus on the mixer. Imagine just integrating SSL into a 12" Rane mixer with a 2.5 80gig HD inside. THAT WOULD BE SO SWEET.
On 10-09-2005 17:42, Syentiffic commented...
That thing is so sexy.
On 10-09-2005 17:52, DJ DeeJay commented...
Listen to yourselves, guys !!!! HDD ??? On a player ??? Come on, what ever happened to old DJ style (vinyls, cd's). Are U really in for that ??? If U wanna have a HDD, buy a laptop, 2 soundcards, put as much as U can mp3's into it, and go on a gig. Man, I hate when I see (so called DJ's) use computer. I DON'T NEED A HDD IN MY UNITS, AND I DON't EVER WANT THEM. Vinyls are soon to be forgotten, but CD's MUST remain, until something bigger comes around.
NO THANX !!!
On 10-09-2005 17:57, Ragman commented...
@DJ DeeJay You're going to make a good grandfather "Sonny back when I was your age we used 8 tracks tapes and WE LOVED IT"....LOL
On 10-09-2005 18:02, Soba commented...
What advantage does this have over Serato? It's hardware. It can be installed in clubs and up and running for every DJ in seconds without screwing around behind the mixer. It eliminates computer hassles. It means DJs don't have to purchase a laptop to use the system. It's got big buttons, no complicated wiring to screw up, and no exposed expensive laptop, so it's idiot proof in a club situation. Anyone can jump on it in seconds. I've been playing in clubs for a while, and i know the last thing you want when spec'ing a system is hassle. I also know from the huge number of local DJs who've started running Serato recently that the wiring up thing can be a bit of trouble in a stressed, cramped, time-limited club situation. If things are going to move towards harddrives then we need something club-friendly, just like the CDJ-1000 revolutionised acceptance of CD players in clubs. Serato will never be that system. It's still my pick, i'll almost certainly go Serato when i go digital, but it's just not installation friendly. What would you rather carry to the gig, a harddrive or two or a pricey laptop and your box? As a club owner/sound guy, would you rather the DJs were rewiring the system every five minutes and bringing along their own unique new forms of trouble in the form of laptops, or a self contained unit anyone could use with all the wiring safely tucked away where no fool could mess with it? Everyone loves vinyl, but nothing lasts forever.
On 10-09-2005 18:08, Soba commented...
Also, DJing is about music, not style. And DJing, and scratch DJing in particular, is about evolution and innovation, not staying so strictly to the status quo that nothing interesting ever happens. Some new technology is making being a bad to average DJ easier than ever before, but being a good DJ is as difficult as ever, on 1200s or the latest gear, whether you're touching a wax plate or a big jogwheel.
On 10-09-2005 18:09, DJ DeeJay commented...
@ Ragman
Why that tone ??? U one of (so called DJ's) ??? Ever tried to use a vynil or a cd ??? Ever used hot starts, sampler, loop, or just mesured the beat by presing the button ENTER on your keyboard, then button =, and there U go, U R a DJ ????
U really made me laugh.
On 10-09-2005 18:10, Soba commented...
The best part is that i responded to your post before you even made it. This argument really must be getting old.
On 10-09-2005 18:20, DJ DeeJay commented...
@ Soba
U make me laugh too.
First HDD, so no CD's or vynil needed. Next ... Next ... Next ... Final ... NO DJ NEEDED WHAT SO EVER !?!?!?!?!
DJing is an art, and with that kind of an attitude, that art will be burried !!!!! Not to mention the things I said before : /quote/just mesured the beat by presing the button ENTER on your keyboard, then button =, and there U go, U R a DJ ???? /unquote/ THINK OF THAT !!!
On 10-09-2005 18:22, BR8 commented...
vinyl feel/slip is waaay sticky...WACK. using a dial to select shit ruins all the fun of real vinyl dj'ing. numark shit gives you a minor anxiety attack at every important gig cuz you never know when teh shit will decide not to work. these gadgets just feel STERILE. i traded my cdx for a tech 12.
On 10-09-2005 18:29, DJ DeeJay commented...
Did U ever try DN-S5000, Denon. Believe me, It has the same vynil feeling. It's great. The only yhing missing is the platter being bigger, but hey, this one they have is just as good. Try it if U didn;t have the oportunity.
On 10-09-2005 18:31, Soba commented...
There is no difference between operating this and a regular CDJ, which you seem to support. Actually, once it's in the player's RAM, it doesn't really matter whether it got the ones and zeros off of a CD or a harddrive. You still have to beatmatch it, and you still have to choose the right tune in the first place, you still have to drop it at the right point and EQ and fade it in yourself. Really, honestly, the only difference in practise is how heavy your bag is on the way to the gig. Perhaps you should read my post above your last one again in regards to a DJs skill too. Anyway, i've stated my points, and i have no interest in a flamewar. Have a lovely day, and enjoy your cold dinner lest you spoil it with the technology of fire take away the essence of its dinnerness.
On 10-09-2005 18:37, DJ TomcaT commented...
Sorry, but I totally agree with DeeJay here.
On 10-09-2005 18:56, Deft commented...
All djs are idiots.
On 10-09-2005 19:07, weaksauce commented...
i'm with deft on this one
On 10-09-2005 19:23, DJ DeeJay commented...
@ Deft
CAN YOU HEAR MEEEE ?????
No, well, sorry to HEEEAAAAR that. God gives, God taken away.
As for the idiot part, not everyone is like U or your companions.
On 10-09-2005 19:56, BattleFunk commented...
theres nothing like going to watch a dj play and the show consists of him looking like he's checkin his emails for 2 hours.
not keen on the laptop dj to be honest, even if it is a SSL combo.
about the hdx, i think its a good idea for the hobby dj, and would work well for a mobile jock, but as far as technology making things easier, instead of humping record crates with us now, we have to carry cd players?
looks to me like clutching at straws a bit and i dont think this is that good of an idea - just my opinion though
quote:"Sorry, but I totally agree with DeeJay here."
Why?
On 10-09-2005 22:34, k_one commented...
gizmo:
this was what i had laying around in my mail inbox...i'm sorry for not sending it to you earlier, but you know how it works. Hopefully I can take some credit for them releasing it to you since i've been pleading with them since day one...hehe anyway, if you watch have the discussion is getting heated up here i'm glad i didn't mention it earlier..hehe...anyway guys, Numark once agin came up with something new, creative and,for some people, a breaktrough product. You can choose to like it or love it, either way it's going to make a big impact and pave way for even more exciting news to come in the future. Of course we will see units like this with video support,and maybe other things we haven't even thought about yet, it's just a matter of time. As for the analog/digital/cd's suck/vinyl is king discussing i would just like to add that, no matter what we do, vinyl will still be around,and as Soba said, dj'ing is about music, and not the medium used to play it back. Dj's will always be an important part og a big night out and nothing will ever change that.What will change is the way we convey our music, the main goal is still to make people dance and enjoy themselves.
As for CDX problem, there has only been one CD-Drive problem, on early unit, and it's very easily fixable. If you guys have any problems, email me your serial number, and i'll send you the service ECN to fix it. It's simple a matter of the motor in the drive pressing down on the internal transfer cabel, and simple by moving it's path everything is working out ok! But, as said, this only applies to early models CDX's.Production has changed to correct this fault, so no new buyer of CDX should worry.
I think it 's to much patriotism on all the DJ's forums about which brand you should choose. Denon DJ's claim that their players are superior, but noone seem to remember the introduction of the DN-S5000, which needed 11 updates(including software and hardware) modicfications before it reach the level we now now it from. That doesn't mean I don't like it, i think it's great..but it had it's flaws to...or the time when their most sold CD-player,DN-2000FmkIII, in first productions came out with faulty Sanyo motors for the CD-drive...every singel one lasted less then three months,and productions had to be changed...but it's still reckoned as a great dobbel deck cdplayer...Pioneer has had their share of trouble too...the entire line of CDJ-1000mkII forinstance had a major DSP flaw, and faulty display drivers...but it was fixed, and now it's a great player. I come from a background of beeing the distributor of Denon,Pioneer and Numark in my country, so i have a lot to back this up with. What people need to do is stop mocking opposition brands, and start embracing new products and development, no mather what brand it is. Evert new release it a step in the right direction. Of course we will see failures, or bad engineering at some time...but usually it's fixed in reasonable time, and we can enyjoy the products... So, stop hating, and just...see were it will bring the DJ scene..We will still have scratchers on orignal 1200's and mobile DJ's on double decks..people on serato/final scratch/etc, or people just dj'ing with ipods or cassette decks for that matter(remember that cool Russian guy?) The important stuff is the music we play, and how we play it...
Just my two cents...
k1
(sorry for any misspelling or faults in the text, before anyone descends to the level of commenting...)
On 10-09-2005 23:01, nin-jazz commented...
this actually seems to be worth buying
On 10-09-2005 23:34, Mr Penis commented...
The companies should be focusing to make products with mobility in mind instead. Like a small ipod-ish final scratch version where you dont need no laptop, just the small player and a couple controller records or something like that.
Club owners generally isnt interested in investing money in new decks unless the old ones break down. Wheres the market?
On 10-09-2005 23:46, jay commented...
k_one>
I have that problem with one of my CDX's. It's bought from USA and used in Europe so the warranty has been f'd since day one.
Serial #:(21)N10408551104178 djjayzon@hotmail.com
thanks in advance
On 11-09-2005 01:15, the ill one commented...
Nice job on pushing the envelope again Numark.
It's funny when a new player hits the market users of a particular brand feel the need to knock it. I don't see any other brands users knock the competition as much as the "denonites."
On 11-09-2005 01:16, KungFuB2JoeD commented...
Regardless of the namebrand, this is promising considering the integration of the hdd means there has to be an operating system (partially why the cd drive won't work independantly) which we all know means what, boys and girls?...HACKING! Once a few test models have been sent out, I give it a few months before someone figures out how to get other formats to run not to mention a few tweaks that could improve the output/scratch sound. Maybe Numark hooks it up so it's open source and a site where user created upgrades can be uploaded and downloaded.
On 11-09-2005 01:17, Mad Mixer RMG commented...
This unit seems promising, but I agree with Spazz's idea. In that case, there is no need to duplicate files on each deck. just plug in, seek, and spin.
On 10.09.05, SpAzZ commented...
I think the HD storage should be put on a mixer. That way it centrally locates your data and all companies would need is to make software mods on their decks with usb or midi connectors to the mixer (up to 3 connections) for syncing and data transfer. Just a thought.
On 11-09-2005 01:19, capo di exmixah commented...
hah hah !!! very funny dogg .I hope you're wrong though
On 11-09-2005 01:23, capo di commented...
"All djs are idiots". hah hah !!! very funny dogg .I hope you're wrong though
On 11-09-2005 01:28, dj cross+fade commented...
boabmatic that must suck i still dont have my tables just have one so im checking all of these to see if i can just get a turntable like this one hope it works. y they dont just have one with out he fx and with a tone arm so that i can play records then if there prob was making the tone arm control the scratching on it then dont just have the tonearm play records i would be happy with that so no fx a 45 apm mode tonearm for playing just records that u can record right in to the hdx when the tonearm is being used and the cd hd scratching whould be controled like it is now
On 11-09-2005 02:12, skratch n kut commented...
What happens if there is a corrupt MP3? Does the HDX crash?
Also for all the denonites... denon equipment is whack so stop trying knock numark and other brands.
On 11-09-2005 02:19, dj cross+fade commented...
denon did make good thinks back in the day there 19 inch cd players or good but i dont like nothing that does noot feel like records
On 11-09-2005 05:32, BattleFunk commented...
Denon people;
I use a Denon 2600F at work every night alongside my own DZ1200 and i have a lot of fun playing with the units. I've always liked the player, and find that its kind of an old standard in smaller clubs. However, the recent stigma of the Denon fans has put me off wanting to purchase something by the company which may seem strange.
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Im all for new company's bringing out new technology, even though when I'm not at work I wont go any where near digital technology and use only (the old fashioned media) vinyl. The DZ doesnt even get plugged in half the time I'm home. The problem I see, which has been mentioned, is club owners just wont keep replacing equipment, rather they just leave it right until its so unusable they might loose money over the bar due to lack of music/entertainment.
The HDX looks like a great idea for those running a mobile business, but for someone like myself who prefers the 'walk in' kind of gig, it doesnt appeal to me at all.
I was gonna type some more BS in here, but im affraid the alarm just told me its 4.30 and I have to get ready to go to PLASA
On 11-09-2005 13:39, DJ DeeJay commented...
On 11.09.05, the ill one commented... --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Nice job on pushing the envelope again Numark.
It's funny when a new player hits the market users of a particular brand feel the need to knock it. I don't see any other brands users knock the competition as much as the "denonites."
Numark is a competition for Denon ???
Hahahahahahahahaha.
Ever used a Denon mate ???? I, on other hand, did use Numarks, and as for the competition part, once again I say :
Definitely another advance in technology that will make other companies immitate real soon. Looking forward to playing with this turntable. the CDX is flawless.
On 11-09-2005 19:42, Tony commented...
I'll stick to my 15 dollar investment of a FS record and djdecks.
On 11-09-2005 21:53, Substance commented...
Damn good job numark, Looks nice woohoo
On 11-09-2005 22:47, Ragman commented...
@DJ DeeJay Dam I luv your blind loyalty... Very refreshing to see someone so good at using kneepads.
Here's the thing about DJ DeeJay - he's posted in this thread several times under different names and even at one point posted that he agreed with himself. Not only this, he went and perpetuated this scheme over at the Denon forums as well.
DeeJay, Tomcat or whatever your name is - take your fanboying to the Denon forum and leave it there. You're adding nothing to this thread.
On 12-09-2005 00:53, Mastttttt commented...
aint nothing wrong with digital DJing
the roots came to NZ just recently and Questlove DJed at the after party using SSL and it was the best DJ set ive witnessed in ages. its all about what you play and when you play it, not what you play it on
when it comes down to it the crowd thats dancing to your music doesnt give a fuck what your playing from, i remember "DJing" at my friends parties before i had a mixer and stuff using two cassete decks and no one cared cos i was playing good songs
i like this emoticon
On 12-09-2005 01:42, To Gizmo commented...
I was just going to comment yesterday about TomcaT being DJ DeeJay. Damn intarweb crashed. I guess when somebody is so wrapped up in Denon culture, they forget this thing called reality. Now, people have been yelling and screaming for a HD player for some time now, on skratchworx, on djforums, on...well...every where. Numark stepped it up first with a dual unit and now with their CDX line.
As a Denon owner DeeJay, I'll tell you my experience. DN-s3000s. Disc Errors, lock ups, skipping CDs (all redbook standard CDs mind you...mint condition right out of the wrapper or CDs burned using a Denon CD burner duplicated at 1x). Displays needing to be replaced. Cue points drifting. Then finally, one just gave up completely and now won't turn on at all. Is that what you call build quality? That's what I call a door stop.
On 12-09-2005 02:30, DJ TeQneek commented...
ive heard of lock ups on few 3000s, but ive never had anything like that happen to my 2 5000s.
ill admit im a denon fan, but i really am getting tired of all of this fanboyism. its give denon owners and supporters a bad image.
On 12-09-2005 03:33, Dj Gemini commented...
That is cool, all the feat/ they put in it. big ups for comin out with this one, but Im going to stay with my Techs, ill just use that for little stuff, like using that when I only have a song on cd thats not on vinal yet. Or you never know, i just might use it to be up on game.lol :blink:
Keep on making better and new equipment. peace
On 12-09-2005 12:56, Kut_class commented...
If you got this setup at home you could make the phat'est set ever/scratch compostions/crazy productions tricks .... 4real .....
.... but what do you do when you turn up at the club and they don't have these decks .... ur f*cked ! would you seriously take a pair of these with you every time you gig ? And if so, when u gonna set them up ? Are you gonna get to every club early ? What if your playing in more than one place on one night? Most clubs have the sh*test setups going, if you even touch the back of the mixers you can gaurantee that a speaker blows (usuallly YOUR monitor) or the club gets an earful of un-grounded deck (v. unpleasent).
Personally i like to roll in to the club late with a bag on my back n just beat down a normal pair of 1200's ...
Sure, in the bedroom/studio your gonna have great fun (i'm realy not denying this point at all ... these look soooooo much fun), but your loosing some 'real life' experiance - IMO mistakes are best made at home and having a standard setup at home prepares you for what you really wanna do ..... rock a crowd, anytime , anyplace ...
...Really depends what kinda DJ you are i guess.....
On 12-09-2005 13:56, Soba commented...
One would hope this would be the first step in a new club standard...vinyl isn't going to be around forever and solid state storage will have to overtake CDs at some point. I expect the thinking is that you bring your own harddrives to the club and plug them in, which seems perfectly sensible to me. In the meantime there's nothing stopping you using them as regular CD decks, and if you have this setup at home you can bring your set to the club in a CD wallet if they don't have HD decks. My opinion on the standardised equipment thing is that for 99% of gear you can find your feet within a couple of mixes. I'd rather have my choice of the best gear at home than simply whatever the clubs are running.
On 12-09-2005 14:53, weaksauce commented...
skratch n kut commented... >What happens if there is a corrupt MP3? Does the HDX crash?
"It won't crash" - Numark rep at PLASA yesterday
On 12-09-2005 16:05, boabmatic commented...
but numark never said that the original cdx's were gonna cr@p out all the time when loading discs either
On 12-09-2005 16:45, ADAMRSX commented...
How about they fix the problems with thier hunk of shit CDX before they put out more junk?
On 12-09-2005 17:29, Idlemind1999 commented...
The funniest thing is... Giz.. you even scooped the Numark site on this one.. hahah
On 12-09-2005 17:51, DJ DeeJay commented...
First of all, I don't even know who tomcat is, but, if he's thinking like I'm, I for sure would like to meet a normal fellow DJ (didn't see his post anywhere). Second, if the IP's are the same, that could just mean that we come from the same country, using the same cable internet, which is cool (look at the first part). Third, I used to be a member on Denon forum (under the same name as I'm giving U now), but I didn't go there since it has crashed, not that I won't, though. Fourth, I DON't own a DENON, the club I work in bought it, after changing Gemini, than Numark, and finally Pio.
And finaly, couple of my fellows were at Plasa yesterday, mentioning the price of this "great" unit is over 2k ??? U nuts or what ????
On 12-09-2005 18:01, weaksauce commented...
deft raised an interesting question - how does this unit interpret the "wrapper" created by the drive formatting (fat32, ntfs, mac os etc) or does it somehow bypass that level and just find anything .mp3, .wav etc? be interesting to know how much proprietary software is in this unti, as opposed to "learning" from SSL, iriver players and the like...
On 12-09-2005 18:08, Matoki commented...
Wow!!!
On 12-09-2005 18:53, Peeti-V commented...
Well this is a very interesting product and it would be nice of the industry embraced it. Embracing it will lead to further development and interest of this idea of the cd player + hard drive combination and the bypassing of a computer. There is definately truths in the fact that it is difficult at times to setup with ssl especially with time constraints and the lack of access to the back of the mixer. I would like to say that I do have experience with many of these products being a previous owner of denon dn-s3000s and now owning cdj 800s, ssl, and I have always owned techs. Anyways, the HDXs are definately a great start....I do think more development has to occur in order to have a more "thought out" unit including an internal hard drive without a computer.
On 12-09-2005 19:54, dj benedict arnold commented...
Everyone's so happy that Numark is "building what we want" . . but can you AFFORD it?
Nah, son - wile the drool from your lips . . wait a couple years when the hard drive turntable market is mature, then maybe we can talk. It looks like an awesome product, though!
On 12-09-2005 20:14, tikka commented...
If I was a millionaire I would buy 2.
On 12-09-2005 20:39, Camilos commented...
If I were a rich-men It's nice very nice
On 12-09-2005 21:06, DJ Prime-X commented...
Can you plug a monitor to it? That'll be really cool if it can all I have to do is hook my a/b switch, my keyboard, and my monitor and mouse will be great, too. But still this is a great job. AWESOME!
On 12-09-2005 21:21, Denon Fanboi commented...
:d: :d:
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On 12-09-2005 22:16, Ragman commented...
@Denon Fanboi & DJ DeeJay
One of Websters definition: CULT >>> Obsessive, especially faddish, devotion to or veneration for a person, principle, or thing. You guys are scary!
Oh and one more: BAMBOOZLED >>> To be taken in by elaborate methods of deceit; hoodwink.
LOL!
On 12-09-2005 23:41, To DeeJay commented...
DJ DeeJay,
You continually make the same grammatical mistakes, continually spell "you" as "U", format your paragraphs the same way as TomcaT...have the same IP address as TomcaT.
If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, and has the same IP address as a duck, it's a duck. A Serbian duck at that.
Oh, and for reference, DJ DeeJay, your bedroom is not, nor should be confused with, a club.
On 13-09-2005 06:56, blax0r commented...
man i cant stand so-called dj's that flame companies like numark and open-minded technology embracing dj's for trying to push the envelope in music creation, simply because they are so damn INSECURE with their own dj skills that they think that a new instrument that gives you more avenues for artistic expression = everybody can be a dj...
these are TOOLS for a dj to express their creativity musically, not an equalizer for the masses...
so you've spent your last 10 years learning how to beatmatch, and now some dumbass can do it in 2 seconds - kinda makes you feel like sh*t, yeah?
well now you can spend the next 10 years of your life learning how to match keys, set up loops/cue points to remix tracks live, make your own tracks to spin into your sets, and finally figure out how to work that damn effects processor that you would have flamed people for using had there been a forum like this back when those hit the market years ago...
i hate to rag on people, but at this point its ridiculous to hear people STILL going on about how you're not a "real" dj unless you use "vynil"... we've heard it all before, so f*cking get on with it man....
btw, i'm most curious to see what the midi in/out functions on this guy can do... using this as a midi controller for traktor or ableton live would be great... or even hooking up a midi controller to tweak effects parameters on it would be cool.....
On 13-09-2005 09:46, JavaD commented...
<div style="background-color: yellow; border:2px ridge #145398; font: 800 12pt/15pt Tahoma; font-variantmall-caps;>This is the greatest thing since sliced bread </div>
On 13-09-2005 14:37, Kut Class commented...
@ blax0r - My point was really about the portability of a unit of this nature - bet carrying one is heavy, bet carrying two is a killer.
If you wanna do a digital setup in a club, at the moment i'd go with 'laptop' based solutions on a pure portability factor - then wack in some FX/midi control equipment - ALL of which can fit into 1 bag !
I just don't see the advantage these have over laptop based solutions for the type of DJ that actaully plays out to people.
In a dream world these type of decks will become industry standard and fitted in all clubs. But then there is a big question of money ..
....personally i'd like the promoters to pay me more for a dope set/setup that i BRING to a club (in whatever form digital or not) and that way they pay for MY eqipment with THEIR money - rather than the club fitting out with the most expesive equipment then paying me fukall and i get no money to put towards ma own toys. Maybe that just the opinion of a selfish wanka or perhaps just a skint DJ that needs money for his own toys to create his own INDIVIDAUL sound ?
(BTW this is totally hypothetical anyway since i became a VERY skint DJ that couldn't afford to play out any more - wife - kids - y'all know the score). :cry:
On 13-09-2005 14:37, kaa commented...
Argh! I just bought a CDX a few weeks ago. Nevermind, I'm happy this is coming out because it means that other companies will get their arses into gear and sort out some decent units.
So by the time I get bored of the CDXs, HD based decks should be wicked!
On 13-09-2005 14:48, Kut Class commented...
A SSL with built in hard drive and screen might be the solution ? Kind of like the Rane mod y'all hyped on, but no need to stick it in a mixer ? then you just need 1 hard drive, and you've got a setup that will work with all club setups ? ! ?
IMO I really think portability needs to be a consideration when desgining these products....
On 13-09-2005 15:43, SpAzZ commented...
@Kut Class Actually the HDX has the same weight as the CDX (22lbs), and is a lighter in weight than the Technics 1200 t/t (26lbs). So I don't think weight is an issue. Especially if you're a vinyl DJ making the move to digital. Just keeping it real.
On 13-09-2005 16:41, DJ DeeJay commented...
I'm from Slovenia U ASSWHOLE !!!!
On 13-09-2005 16:43, numark commented...
The vinyl is actually a silver color. However, you can customize the vinyl and/or slipmat. The slipmat is also a real felt mat compared to the neoprene mat on the CDX.
On 13-09-2005 16:43, DJ DeeJay commented...
Never loved Serbia, never will. My fother died in the war !!!! So, FUCK OFF !!!!
On 13-09-2005 21:22, Alice in chains commented...
Will I be able to replace the HDD for a one with the bigger memory ?
On 13-09-2005 22:30, SpAzZ commented...
I think you mean a bigger size HDD as in upgrade from the current 80gig size to say 120gig. That's a good question maybe Numark or Gizmo will pipe in and let us know. I would think so, but I could be wrong.
On 13-09-2005 22:36, Alice in chains commented...
Yes, that is what I mean. It would be so cool!
On 14-09-2005 06:12, Soba commented...
and again...
"FAQs
Q. Is the hard drive upgradeable? A. Yes, with any standard 2.5” hard drive."
On 14-09-2005 06:47, SpAzZ commented...
Gotcha, sorry Soba, I missed that. Then this is a good thing mos def.
On 14-09-2005 11:39, TheBarrelShifter commented...
Just to confirm...
The HDX already supports Ogg Vorbis, and FLAC (Free Lossless Audio Codec).
The line-input can be used to record analogue audio.
Regards, A developer
On 14-09-2005 13:46, SpAzZ commented...
Q. What audio/data formats does the HDX support? A. The HDX supports the following file formats from the hard drive and CD: - MP3 - WAV - WMA
Q. How can I load songs? A. Songs can be loaded using various methods: - Insert a CD into the built-in CD drive and rip directly to the unit. - Record audio that is connected via the LINE IN RCA input jacks on the I/O panel. - Songs can be loaded to the hard drive using the USB 2.0 connector. When connected to a PC, the HDX is seen as a USB mass-storage device. Be sure to eject/stop the HDX connection on the PC before disconnecting the USB connection.
On 14-09-2005 15:06, TheBarrelShifter commented...
Q. What audio/data formats does the HDX support? A. The HDX supports the following file formats from the hard drive and CD: - MP3 - WAV - WMA - Ogg Vorbis - FLAC
It's the truth, believe me!
On 14-09-2005 15:22, SpAzZ commented...
Where did you hear this from? Give me a reputable source.
On 14-09-2005 16:11, TheBarrelShifter commented...
I have been involved in the HDX development
On 14-09-2005 17:01, SpAzZ commented...
So was it mistakenly left off the initial press release? Giz, you're at PLASA, is this something you can find out from the Numark folk. No disrespect to you BarrelShifter, but there's a lot of B.S. being posted on here sometimes from unknowns. There's a lot of tech DJs who would be sold on the Ogg Vorbis format.
On 14-09-2005 17:18, TheBarrelShifter commented...
Hello SpAzZ,
Yes, it's true that it was left off the literature, I was at Plasa Mon and Tues, and some Numark people were as surprised as you to learn about the Ogg and FLAC support. I guess they don't realise yet that it's a selling point despite being far less popular codecs than mp3 and wma.
I'm interested that you say "There's a lot of tech DJs who would be sold on the Ogg Vorbis format" since I would have thought there would be more interest in FLAC support - Can you explain your statement? (Why tech DJs would be sold on Ogg support firstly, Whether tech DJs are familiar with FLAC too)
On 14-09-2005 20:01, SpAzZ commented...
If you go on different DJ forums, Ogg is a format that's mentioned alot as a preferred format choice. Not to say it's better than FLAC, just comes up more often in discussions of unsupported formats.
On 14-09-2005 20:07, SpAzZ commented...
This is good news though, that the HDX supports a very wide range of audio formats. The kicker for many of us will be the reliability and the cost. If it proves to be more reliable than the CDX, and the price is not outlandish, Numark might have a winner.
On 14-09-2005 21:44, Deft commented...
FLAC support? That's what I'm talking about. Good move.
On 15-09-2005 05:04, rithie commented...
heu .... can I scratch what I'm recording (singing ?)in real time ?
On 15-09-2005 13:05, k_one commented...
rithie:
You know what? if you buy a Numark 5000FX you actually can do that..hehe..kinda wicked
"What up"& props to TheBarrelshifter by the waynice talking to you at PLASA(this guy is a freakin' genius)
On 15-09-2005 14:46, SpAzZ commented...
Guys when is it slated to hit the states?
On 15-09-2005 15:08, Hawt1n commented...
Looks a bit like a toy to me ... the pitch slider is very short & the display looks woefully inadequate for all of it's functionality. If Numark can't make their basic stuff reliable, what chance have they got with this? The new Denon 3500 looks a far more impressive piece of kit, as does the old faithful Pioneer CDJ1000.
Oh well ... time will tell!
On 15-09-2005 16:49, SpAzZ commented...
This site is called SkratchWrox. With that said, anyone who own or have used the CDX will tell you there's NO digital deck on the market that can touch it when it comes to scratching and vinyl emulation of CDs. The reliabiltity is a concern, I'll give you that, but if Numark have overcome those issues that were pravelent on the CDX, then this unit far exceeds Denon or Pio.
12"inch platter, direct drive, 80gig HDD with the ability to record to several formats, and you're telling me the S3500 looks more impressive...LOL!
On 15-09-2005 17:00, SpAzZ commented...
What would impress me is taking the Den S5000, make it direct drive, increase the platter size to at least 10" and add a media card. Hell you wouldn't even need to put EFXs on it. Then we'll have something to talk about. But please, Denon didn't do any thing special with the S3500. It just stayed in the game by giving the S3000 a direct drive with EFXs. As far as Pio is concerned, they're not going to be able to sit idle for long with the MKii. It's time for them and Technics to put some new gear out. And believe me they will.
On 15-09-2005 17:02, SpAzZ commented...
Sorry about misspelling SkratchWorx Gizmo.
On 15-09-2005 19:25, dj bryson commented...
Ummm, I f***kin told you so, take it bitches. Exactly what i said. CDX with a removeable hard drive that can be connected to a PC. External Hard drive...as if.
On 16-09-2005 23:14, CS-80 commented...
Whoever said it's all about having this technology in the mixer, ie the 'ttm 58' or whatever it will be when Rane intergrate SSL, is right.
This product is a semi interesting dead end.
On 17-09-2005 08:36, c commented...
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On 18-09-2005 16:26, killabee44 commented...
Props to Numark. Nice start. We will see what will come next and how much prices will drop. Its an exciting time right now with all the potential products that might/will come out in the near future.
And last but not least...
DJ DeeJay is an idiot!!! LOL
On 21-09-2005 18:45, not lakdar commented...
not first post
On 21-09-2005 22:10, discjockeyjoey commented...
if they are going to make a CD player that fucking big they might as well make one that plays CDs AND records!!!
On 22-09-2005 04:06, DJ Durg commented...
I am a numark fan so I like this Idea. I have 2 CDX's now and I wish they would have brought this HDX out before I bought it.. SSL Is sweet too. Need more time to see how this HDX really works but at first glance it appears to be tight
On 23-09-2005 11:44, KennethG commented...
Hmmm...2x HDX a mixer and a kaosspad...
On 23-09-2005 22:46, DJ_JD commented...
Pioneer is the best.......
On 24-09-2005 02:08, DJ Durg commented...
There are alot of good Companies out there but Numark is up and coming without a doubt. Us DJ's and those other companies better not sleep on them..
On 26-09-2005 16:36, DJ Krek KoKo commented...
All i want to know its the price. Yall sound like ya work for Denon. Just find out how much the HDX will cost plz. Peace
On 27-09-2005 19:47, mista_biggs commented...
The HDX's are about 640 to 700 dollars each...not bad at all
so basically...it's a CDX w/a hard-drive right? or is there any other extras?
On 01-10-2005 14:13, BombrMan commented...
This sounds awesome, I just wish they had put a tonearm on there. I think the beauty of a system like this is that it doesn't necessarily force you to use any specific medium. Well, it would if it had a tonearm. Then you could walk into a venue that already had a set of these, and play whatever you brought, be it vinyl, cd's, or a laptop. I wonder how hard it would be to add a tonearm to these after the fact.
On 03-10-2005 02:09, X-CRATCH commented...
REAL DJS PLAY VINYL
On 03-10-2005 02:12, I AGREE commented...
quote:"REAL DJS PLAY VINYL"
SURE...
On 03-10-2005 03:22, Chilli commented...
Have had a CDX for the last year and have not had a single problem. I want to backup the comments being made regarding Numarks ability to push the boundaries. For me though a hard drive isn't that high on the list, carrying cd's is not that hard. I think adding a tone-armwould be well received!
On 06-10-2005 00:28, Alixx J commented...
Bought the numark axis 8 4 years ago and loved it, just a bit loose on the pitch! have worked on the tecs sldz and can honestly say they aint as good (just look the bollocks). pioneers are vry vry good but over priced. i now own a set of dnd 6000 and they are awesome... so much more accurate and solid than the numark and tecs. yet i still like the effects on my original numarks.. if this deck is as accurate on the pitch as a denon or pio, finally there myt be a rival...however, these are no use for djs who walk into bars and clubs havin to use the stuff supplied. Probly good fun in the bedroom tho (no pun intended)
However, long live vinyl! why dont they just invent featherweight records?
quote:"why dont they just invent featherweight records?"
They did already. They're called flexidisks. Used to get them on the front of magazines all the time!
On 06-10-2005 11:26, Alixx J commented...
Bow to the subject knowledge Thought i had idea of the dj century there lol!!
It all seems too easy to get lost in technology, because when you play to a crowd, it dosnt make you really stand out anymore appart to the trainspotters like us lol! who notice loops, filtering and the likes. Its the personality and the quality of music that does the business. I think we are trying to hard to replace vinyl decks with a 'hybrid', you cant, why dont they invent something wacky and new for controlling music playback, but workable? that would be more interesting stuff. I think hooking up the pc using FS was the best thing for turntables in a digital world, old n new seperate but workin tgetha.
The new allen and heath 3D looks good though, looking forward to gettin my mitts on one...
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On 11-10-2005 18:12, DJ Durg commented...
Well I have 2 CDX's now and I curently using it with the Serato Scratch Live.. Works pretty good I just have alot of music to input. HDX's Really looks good just wondering how it could incorprate with scracth live... When you play everything From Country/Techno to Rap it needs to be as easy as possible not carrying all the tracks...
On 11-10-2005 22:38, DJ Sparx - Las Vegas commented...
I have been playing on the CDX's for about a year in my home studio. A little cumbersome to take BOTH the CDX's and the CD's to the club. And, most of the clubs use Pioneers so I am forced to play on those during gigs. I do have to agree with some of the posts...both good and bad. I would love to have all the clubs I play in in Las Vegas to have the HDX's. It would so much easier to bring your hard drives in a little bag..smaller than the CD case...to the clubs. Most of our clubs have gone to Serrato...but that involves buying a laptop and the program...which is much more pricey than buying two HDX's. I will be selling my CDX's on ebay when the HDX's are shipping. I just think they are a better deal...even with Serrato. There is a video of the product here: http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=2351# Oh yes, another thing...I still am a "real DJ" too...I still buy a lot of vinyl and play with it. But, most of the time, I rip the vinyl to mp3 to play at the clubs...so I don't have to lug the vimyl around. Also, someone above asked if the HDX's can be linked together. The answer is "yes they can". Thus, you can access whatever is on both harddrives through one player so essentially you have 160 gigs of music available within the two drives. I am definitely looking towards the future of DJ'ing. I should, I've been doing it now for 30 years...and have seen all of the progressions. Personally, I think it is damn fun to be 50 years old and still playing the hottest clubs...even the trancers tell me I'm "off the hook"...lol Everybody have fun with music...it keeps us young.
On 12-10-2005 15:49, DJ Thin Bleech switzerland commented...
stop scratching digital!you fools!
On 21-10-2005 05:32, DJ Lando commented...
Man, if you DON"T know, the CDX was just like spinning on a 1200, with NO LAG TIME once you release the record!! The only down to it (CDX) was you cannot do any fast mixing (25 records in 10 minutes, NO SLAM MIXING either!! Should be no mystery to any of us, she (HDX) will probably cost OVER 2G's. Get your orders in!!!!!!!!
On 25-10-2005 05:38, DJ Big Tymer commented...
Anybody know how much this machine costs? At least maybe like a ballpark figure?
On 27-10-2005 01:10, bupa commented...
Does anyone know if you can beat juggle with these (or the cdx)? Also, can you really scratch on these? I have a final scratch but its useless when trying flares or stabs.
On 28-10-2005 06:29, Momo the Monster commented...
I did some research on the MIDI functionality in both this and the CDX. Results here:
http://flow.la-va.org/?p=89
On 05-11-2005 02:03, DJ Durg commented...
My Cdx's Cost 799.00 so I'm sure these will at least be about 500 bucks more
On 05-11-2005 19:17, Martyhead commented...
DJ DeeJay commented... "First of all, I don't even know who tomcat is, but, if he's thinking like I'm, I for sure would like to meet a normal fellow DJ (didn't see his post anywhere). Second, if the IP's are the same, that could just mean that we come from the same country, using the same cable internet, which is cool (look at the first part). ....
I am no DJ nor do I claim to be...but I am the biggest computer nerd on the planet and I have my CCNA and MCSE certifications.
Your statement if the IP's are the same, that could just mean that you come from the same country, using the same cable internet, is full of crap. This is not possible especially given the amount of time between your post. So yes I called you out on your BS. Dont try to BS outside stuff you know nothing about... you will get owned.
On 11-11-2005 23:42, DJKrugger commented...
Mmm... I'll try to get back to the topic, The HD idea is good i have to confess i made it before just that i'm not part of numark nor of Denon either (I wish to! but i hit with a problem that somebody comment here you have to have the data duplicated, unless the unit can handle dual play (something like Denon's Alpha track) or some sort of data communication between units, wich i don't find too reliable. Instead i vote for the HD into the mixer
On 16-11-2005 18:32, simón commented...
i hope there will be a review with a video because the video of the numark.com site is boring i like to see some scrachting
Two Numark HDX's $2600 One Pioneer 909 Mixer $1200 Total Cost $3800
Inciting a riot on the dance floor with new found efficiency priceless. Two tracks at the same time is easy just rip the file twice and change the name a little on the second.
Just getting started in the biz, but after a year on the crappy stanton 650, I need something new. Like to try vinyl, but I don't want to loose the 9,000 tracks I've got on CD. HDX is mine a soon as they ship. Unless I can steal one first? JK. Fooled around with the CDX its and i love it.
On 26-11-2005 21:09, emiliano commented...
yes!!! my dream is almost realized...It's a lot of time that I want a "turntable" as like this but with a larger display for navigate files and folders,and a visualizator of the spectre of the song!!! and this will be the perfection...as like software as like virtual dj!!! sorry for my bad english!!!
On 27-11-2005 20:48, RfromBrazil commented...
Well, I guess it's gonna be a while until one of these things work half decently... Frankly, FS os SSL are way better than any of these CD players ever will, simply because the thought behind it is not to "replace" something "old" (as some people seem to refer do 1200s), but rather to add on, build on something proven and good. Plus, I have no doubt in my mind that none of these CD Decks will last as long as a Tech 12, performing flawlessly night after night after night. Bringing in a laptop / computer adds to the possibilities, and, for now, has my vote.
On 06-12-2005 15:50, DV8 commented...
I've seen alot of negative comments about this unit on this site and else where. I've watched alot change in this field since I began. I still came into the era of cd like most of ya'll born after 79'. I been cutting and scratching for over 12 years. Winning my first decks in competition. I'm not a DJ of a conventional sense. Turntablist more like it. But I have used turntables as a form of expression through beat juggling , scratching in live bands. And have always stayed focus on my abilities. I can say I will be purchasing these at top dollar when I can. There is and unlimited form of expression with these, limited to only the user. Whether you're on FS or Denon's etc. You are who you are. I have stopped buying vynil. I have too many, not only that the dream for me is finally here. I been waiting for this day and I will take this to my own forfront of turntablism. It's 12 inch no compromise other then no power off Bad, baawd, baaad motion. Live and Direct from Germany, much respect, Massachusetts own, DV8
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On 12-12-2005 18:28, rickyp commented...
This unit looks really nice and I'm sorely tempted to buy one. I'd have to sell my CDX to afford it but that shouldn't be a problem given that everyone I know who's seen my CDX thinks it's the dog's bollocks.
I agree with Kev about the effects on the CDX. They are a joke, and combined with its tacky plastic exterior, they make my CDX feel incredibly cheap compared to my TTXs. When I paid £200 more for a deck I did at least expect the build quality to be the same as the TTX. That said, I'm remarkably pleased with the CDX overall and I expect I would be equally pleased with the HDX.
As for the idea of sharing of data between two HDX decks, I think it would be quite cool if Numark produced a modular system in which the deck is just a controller that sends platter movement messages over a MIDI/USB cable and you buy a separate 'data store' unit that houses the removable hard disk and generates the output audio (which could also take care of the sampling and CD ripping). In essence this would be the same setup as Final Scratch but your wouldn't have time-code records that wear out, needles that break or a delicate laptop that stutters audio or takes hours to set up. If they did the same with the mixer (i.e. made it a passive controller instead of an active audio processor), then that would be even better. You could even use your decks and mixer as controller surfaces for your computer (e.g. vary a filter's cutoff frequency with your HDX platter or crossfader).
Still, I digress. This deck looks very cool and I can get it for £734 from SweetWater with the current exchange rate. £200 more than my CDX cost when I bought it.
And I agree with killabee44, DJ DeeJay is an idiot.
On 13-12-2005 21:57, Bobrov commented...
The HDX is up for sale on ebay!!!
On 19-12-2005 16:56, A.R.D.J commented...
HI
On 23-12-2005 02:53, xdjx commented...
Guys check out this link for the hdx http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=2351# it's a vid you can thank me later
On 23-12-2005 02:58, xdjx commented...
by the way i have sl-dz 1200 and now i'm thinking to change peace!
On 18-01-2006 09:56, Inhouse dj,s Kenya Ngong n Dago commented...
Hdx iz the bomb,ad say 80gigs is more than enough for a dj.Reduces the hussle of carring enormous mounts of cd,s.We will surely get hdx once they start shipping.Bigup Numark
On 23-01-2006 04:27, master flava commented...
WONDER.... can set a password to music stored !? or to a special library !?!? if somebody steel the players from the club.. can steel the music stored on hdx too ?? thats why i ask if i can set a password... i hope is not a silly question
On 23-01-2006 20:46, dirt rizzo commented...
would this be a good system for a noob?
On 25-01-2006 05:04, DJ JOE commented...
Axledental, how do you know you can replace the HDCD1 hard drive? Where does it state it has an 80gb hdd?
On 28-01-2006 03:03, xdjx commented...
for those that don't have good internet speed try this link http://sonicftp.com/vids/wmv/plasa05_numark_hdx_credits.wmv it's only 20mb it almost does it all :blink: almost all your questions will be answered in that presentation the only backdraw it's his price don't get me wrong, i love my sl-dz1200 but this is something else keep it up guys
But seeing as you're serious about your opinion being heard, I'll post what you tried and failed to do...
___________________________________________________________________________________ This is an informative look as to how the HDX affected my life.
I bought 2. They are terrible pieces of hardware, in my opinion. Here is why I think that.
-Occassionaly songs will skip @ 8.25 seconds after you stutter the track or even replay it. -The time readout is consistently confusing, not running in 100th's of a second, but 74ths... talk about an adaptation! -scratching on CD then moving back to HD to select a track to play sometimes doesn't work... then it delete's the track you were trying to select from the HD and sometimes the whole tracklisting for the particular artist (i.e. all chris su, but not all chris su & skc)! -the smartloop function was cool, but sometimes seems (not sure on this) inconsistent. I relooped it one time and it skipped 8.25s into the smartloop & looped wrong! ouch! -the record function ceases to work after v1.12 or something. -each product update they put out doesn't seem to help the problems on the HDX's, and it may just make them worse! -a number of problems that happened randomly that I can't recreate for the life of me. One of which included the power button ceasing to function! I apparently turned it off, but the unit was not powering off. This goes against the manual's recommendation to not turn off the unit externally, but I had no choice. -the keyboard attachability, though easy to type your songs in, offers limited mobility on navigation through the software. I found it better just to not attach the keyboard at all.
Some positives to the device: -DSP Effects were pretty cool. sometimes they were overbearing and I didn't like how they were active on the "release" of the button and then deactivated also by "release" of the button. made it very hard to do time critical effects. but overall, the range of FX was pretty nice. -the smartloop when it worked (beatsynched sampling), was sometimes so seemless i could have listened for hours and not heard a glitch. -the 12" platter did give it a real vinyl feel. very good. -adjustable start/stop times made it easy to adapt a sweet mixing style. -74.3gb or something close to that--more than I needed.
However, the reasons why I've decided to give these turntables up:
-The bugs are amazingly frequent. I can hardly get through a set w/o running into a bug, more frequently, the 8.25 second skip bug (after stutter or replay). -I can't record on those HDX's, like they offer you to be able to! That's not what I'm paying for! -beatkeeper technology isn't quite what it's cracked up to be. very shifty. -digital out on the back of the mixer is "for use with one of our digital mixers" --Chris Roman, lead product developer for Numark on a press release found on the internet
**They don't have any mixers which support SPDIF In.**
I've had a difficult time, as well, dealing with their customer relations. Their tech support didn't know anything really about what they were talking about when I was having trouble hooking the HDX's to usb. I attempted to work closely with that department and come to find that Numark does not post bugs anywhere, making it up to the users of the HDX's to discover them. An aggravating experience for me, no doubt.
I'm very upset with a product that claims to be professional grade, but does not work completely. So I've decided to sell them back to the company.
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On 10-09-2005 01:00, Soba commented...
(As the matter of fact I'm selling the 5000's)
i dont need it 
y did numark stop there .
they need to do this!!!
but that means you won't have any media to transport; all of your songs being on your HD. Just upload your mp3s on it, close your coffin and you're ready to go! Yes they could have put a tonearm on it but hey; 1- What would be the price of it? Same as Pio DVJ-1000? 2- How (with that chassis) could you switch from CD control to vinyl, still the vinyl controller on it needs to be attached to control the CD? Numark had bad times in the last 10 years playing the second violins role, but I think that Denon is losing their place, being some sort of followers. Numark rules and it's a fact. They listen to what DJ wants and don't wait 5 years to put a killer product out.
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