I think I need to try them out again. At first, when I was trying it out, I didn't notice any of the problems that have been reported. People say that it drags, but it was actually pretty fluid, maybe it was just that the smaller-sized platter allowed it to be manipulated easier despite the reported drag (which I didn't notice). Also, I didn't notice the digital sound that people talk about but it was a crappy CD at the store running through a worthless mixer through muddy loud speakers. Most of the sounds that I could find to cut were all lower frequency, too, so maybe it's more noticeable on higher frequency sounds, however, I didn't notice it at all to be fair (I DID notice it on the CDX and to a ridiculous extent on the Denon but maybe that's been fixed with updates). I went through the different vinyl simulation effects, and there was one preset called "SL 1200" or something like that that simulates the characteristics of vinyl like a CDJ or that Vestax unit, and some mono sounding, old 20's and 30's vinyl sound. Those were pretty cool. I was a little disappointed that there were no static simulations or anything like that. All and all it seemed pretty solid - BUT, when I tried to do scribbles and those kind of movements, the platter came off the center because it's loose so you can remove it. That seems like a HUGE design flaw. But, all in all, if there was someway to tighten up the platter but still make it so you could remove it if you want, and I don't notice any crappy sounding scratch algorithm, than I would definitely consider it. One thing that I like about it is that you have the moving platter with visible cue points (helpful for juggling, something the CDX lacks) but you also have the option of using it like a CDJ.
first the ahting bit to het it over with, but bear in mind this was a 2 week old show model in town....
*The platter did not fit lush to the unit so it could be moved around about 5mm out of place. it felt like it was riding along the bearings under the platter.
*the shiny bit on the platter was just a little flimsy plastic disk, when scratching the little nubbins holding the disk in place didnt seem quite adequate as the disk kept bending and falling off. now i dont really consider myself to be heavy handed but this aint right!
*when you hit the stop button the music stopped and then so did the platter but then then the platter rotated back half a turn before gradually coming to a halt.
ok now ive beefed about it ill tell ya about the positive aspects of the unit.
*The reverse function seemed to respond slightly quicker than the cdx (numark) and returned flawlessly.
*the loop and sample functions are probably the best feature of the unit, they work so well and it would be almost impossible(in my opinion) to make it better.
*the sound quality was spot on and the loading time was speedy and the unit reads the disks like a dream.
i didnt spend too much time playing with the other functions so its a short review with loads of holes in!
hopefully the problem with the platter is just isoloated to that single unit.
overall 8/10
Yo Giz....did you get my e-mail? I sent ya another one...Thanks bro

Received and replied to... :blink:
the thing is sexy when I last week played with it again for the second time, but I must say that the drag and the digital sound of the deck blew it for me. The drag is tooo much. It seems technics want to stay in their 1970's and control the 2004 era with their drags and old technology (digital hybrids???), BUT.........digital means faster and no drags and functional systems. On this moment you don't see me pay 1200 dollars for a technics sldz. NO way.
THe video shown is all right but I can hear some flaws in his scratches...some pauses....as if the platter was too fast or too slow for the DJ. It doesn;t sounded profesional. Maybe a bad scratch day?
Just courious. Are there any house DJs out there? It seems that allot of people are into scratching. I think these decks are great. To expensive for me. But just wondering if there are any house Djs out there

DJ Redd - the name

should give you a small clue who the target audience is :blink:
However, despite the name of the site, it's not just scratch DJ's who come here.
I play a lot off house music. I've tested the SLDZ but don't think its the best choice for house music. It may be a good player for scratch dj's, but the drag off the platter and because it's veeeeery tricky to pitch-bend, it just isn't that good for me. I finally bought 2 cdj-1000mk2's and a djm-600, which in my opinion is the best set to play house music.
Yeah Gizmo

Well I just thought that were would be some house djs here. I agree Dj Ariko, I know a few house Djs and they use the cdj-1000mk2's and they have no complaints. Although some say they like the SLDZ, I myself use Tracktor

But thats just for me at home

DZ

I dunno...I played with the SLDZ1200 about a month ago at a local shop. Did some scratching (well, moving the platter back and forth really fast

) and a but of mixing..it seemed to work perfectly fine.
I'm no scratch DJ, but it seemed to perform like my SL-1200's. No delay in the scratching, the sound seemed to be OK (as far as CD's go). *shrug*
I dont have extensive experience with CD players, but I liked it! Sexy too!
I have one of the DZ1200s. I love it. I'm not a super scratcher by an means, but have no problems with it. It sounds a little digital sometimes, but that's usually because of low quality recordings (shitty mp3s). My friend scratched on it for the first time (his scratching is far superior to my shitty chirps), and he loved it. I know everyone hates the pitch lock sound, but you can do some cool effects with it. I think the best thing about it is the motor feels like the 1200s. I should probably put together some sort of video or something huh?
played on it today and it felt balls

it didnt feel like vinyl at all
nothin compared to the CDX

or vestax/tascam thing

DZ LLover where did u get the movie clip from?
thats quite a clip DZ Lover! you still love them after that?
Cool, like i've been saying elsewhere, when you scratch with sounds that are meant to be scratched with like beats and the above familiar sample, its spot on. You only get the digital artefacts when you stop a busy record mid flow with some baby scratches and who in there right mind is ever gonna do that?
SLDZ1200 FOR LIFE BABY!
DZ Lover... I can't understand... are u proud/happy about that video? DJ A-L... isn't that the same video you showed on your site?
Sorry for my english... :embarrest only an italian guy!

Oh Dear!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That clip has made my mind up.
Technics - You have lost a customer for life
Should have done more R&D me-thinks!!!

If I'm honest, the only reason I like the DZ is because it looks nice, I'm actually
trying to find other reasons to go for it over the CDX. The CDX is a lot cheaper (and apparently better), but it looks a bit
too much like a vinyl deck, if you know what I mean. Yup, I'm a bit lame just going for looks, I know

.
DAMN! I would NEVER buy a bit of equipment that sounded like that.
AND I DIDN'T!!!
My Technics sldz1200's sound NOTHING like that. This video has been touched up. Why anyone would go to this much trouble to dis Technics is beyond me... but I'm telling you, they don't sound a thing like that!
I won't dispute the pitchlock sounds funny on the real thing - but the scratch sound is unfaultable. The scratch sound on this video sounds like a bit of farming equipment... it's been processed for sure.
yo guys look i've done a lot of homework on these things..one positive aspect about this piece..they look very nice. but i wouldnt get them just for the looks...there's a delay on scratching..the platter comes off easy.. you cannot scratch with the pitch lock on..just like shown in the video..ok now i like the fact that it has 4 cue points. but the sample pads now...try it if u dont beleive me, theres no digital output for these samples on the sample pads.. now that just defeats the whole purpose of having them!! i have a pair of CDX now they are a lot better(and cheaper)..i actually put a dz1200 and a cdx right beside each other and tested them for hours..who said that there wasnt a visual cue point on the cdx platter? i wouldnt recommend the dz1200. im a house DJ and do some scratching as well...if your into scratchin get the cdx for sure they are just like vinyls. eventhough you cant store cue points on a memory card like the dz1200 but there's enough memory in the machine to store 3000 cue sets. thats 3000 CD's with all the cue points on the songs in the cd's. you can also adjust start and brake speeds on the cdx up to i think 6 seconds and there are downloadable upgrades available on the numark site i dont think theres upgrades yet for the dz1200 eventhough they got mad problems to fix.
I haven't noticed any delay when scratching on the DZ1200.
What I meant by a cue-point on the CDX was in the sense of doubling up or beat juggling. In other words there's no equivalent of seeing where you're at like the needle does on vinyl and there's nothing like markers like you would have with stickers on vinyl. Unless I missed something and I'm wrong. The SLDZ1200 does have that, just like a CDJ has it.
i know what u mean man..theres this black marker close to the centre of the platter on the cdx..where you would put your sticker or whateevr on a normal record..thres a way to actually set it to 12 oclock or whereever u like this marker to be..and theres this reference point at 12 oclock that lights up so u can see in the dark..its pretty cool. ya i was worried about that for juggling and scratching and stuff but now i know how to set the cue point to where the marker is its just the same as having real records..well you have to cue it up first...thats the things with all cd decks right?
I have a small sticker on my CDX vinyl as a visual cue point - just like vinyl. Works fine for me.
i dont know whats the deal with everyone saying that there isnt a cue point on the platter...i just got these CDXs like last week..and they are the latest version out..so maybe they fixed the problem on the ones that i just got..maybe.
go find a picture of a CDX and you'll see what i mean theres this black marker..not on the vinyl but in the center, its on this cap that goes over the vinyl...where the vinyl ends on a real record. its a small marker it works fine for me you can always put a sticker like a real record if u dont think its big enough..like gizmo said.
Yes it is the same clip, that clip is all over the world, do a serch for it and you will find it Hosted on diff server all over the world

I'm never gettin rid of my 1200's and needles for scratchin. I think we have a long way to go before the digital world can even come close to the feel and sound you get from a vinyl record. At this point I'm making my decision of which CDJ to get based on how well I think it would be for mixing, and based on that I think the Pioneer CDJ-1000 is the one for me. Also, its quickly becoming the standard at most clubs - and for good reason - so why not get acclimated to it?
I do agree with you trizkut..as broke as i am right now after getting my cdx's..i didnt sell my old record collection or my 1200..i just put it in between so that i have three decks going on. the CDX's are good because they'll save me a lot a money eventhough they cost quite a bit..now I can just download whatever i want and burn it into mp3's...since i do a lot of parties and stuff and play out quite a bit i need the new stuff coming..and i just get them for free off internet or on CD's. even for producing purposes..these CDX's have MIDI outputs so I can run it straight and record on Nuendo or Cubase. so my point is that im not saying that this digital stuff is taking over..im just saying everyones different and we got differnent needs and theses CDX's are definately better than DZ1200's all around thats all. the CDJ is good..but for scratching and the feel its definately better to have a full platter and a realy vinyl and you can even use your own slipmats on these cdx's. u prolly haven't played with one yet..trust me, when you do, ur gonna want them.
Actually I did play with one over at guitar center, and I thought it was pretty cool. I've been scratchin for about 4 years straight now, so I'm not a newbie when it comes to cuttin on the 1's and 2's -- you are right, the feel of the CDX is way better than the pioneer when it comes to scratching. But in my opinion neither are up to my standards as far as the quality of sound that comes out. I just can't get over the rough digital sound of the sample when you scratch it. I think its going to be a long time before this issue is resolved and we have technology that is affordable enough for the average scratch junky to make it happen. Anyway back to why I chose the CDJ over the CDX. After using both the CDJ and the CDX, I felt that the Numark felt a little cheap -- which is actually how I've felt about lot of Numark's products. I know if I get a CDJ I'm getting a quality piece of equipment thats going to last me many many years to come. If it means sacrificing a large vinly platter, for a smaller one that doesn't spin, I'm willing to do that, because I'm not going to be scratching on It anyway. I'll always leave my serious scratching up to my 1200's and m447's. I'll take those suckers to the grave!

I see your point..as i said before, eveyones got differnet styles im just cool with te CDX's. CDJ's are of really hight quality no doubt about that...thats why they're is still the top CD decks on the market right now..right now i have my own vinyl and slipmat to the CDX they just feel a lot better than any other CD decks out there..thats my point
DJ Po....i think the idea of buying CDXs so you can d/l music instead of paying for it is wack, especially if you are playing out and making money off that stolen music.
one thing i do love about CD turntables is being able to play with music i have on rare or expensive vinyl without burning it up.
Exactly. I don't own any "CD turntables" yet but the main reason for me to get them would be to practice for as long as I want without ripping up the vinyl.
look man..of course i know what u mean by that..my reason for doing this is that i just got into university and i dont have that much free time as i did in highschool and i cant spend so many hours a day walking to places to dig up records and i dont really like ordering of the internet..i dont rip all the music off for free tho, i actually get music on CD's when i want to play out..the quality is a lot better than ripping them off as mp3's..the thing is tho, i like to play aronud with these decks and i can have mad mp3 files on cd's and hundreds of samples of whatever and just mess with them without having to change the cd so i can just go at it continuiously. plus, sometimes the mp3 playback is not very reliable if not burned propperly and i never have time to check every song on the cd before playing out so i never do play mp3's at a party..they're just for fun get it right man im not making money off ripped off music.
One other reason I figured I'd get the CDJ's, is that I want to get used to mixing on that style of deck. If I got a CDX, true it'd be just like mixing on vinyl, but what if I'm spinning at a club and all they have are cdj's, or something similar that doesn't have a vinyl platter controler? Well then I'd feel pretty awkward if I had never practiced on one before. Like I mentioned before the CDJ's are pretty standard nowadays in clubs, which is the main reason I want to get used to them. I guess if all you do is parties where you bring your own equipment then the CDX's are great because you'll always be using them. Anyway all this is pretty much off topic so i'm gonna be quiet now...

yo man its all good i see your point..for sure the cdj's are common at clubs now days..ya well i dont think im gona be donig clubs just yet..still in first yr university..but its great for me as you said since i do parties and stuff around the school so the cdx's work realy well for me..but i dont think i'll have a lot of trouble trying to pick up the cdj's if i ever have to since all the functions and features like loops and cues are pretty similar on the cdx... anyway..ya. ...go for the cdj's if u think it'll work better for you
So I had a chance to finally check out the SLDZ1200's.
I was anticipating them ever since the black & white prototype picture was out last year. When I saw the first pictures, my jaw dropped. That is one sexy beast. The thing commands respect at first sight. The super polish look and reflective platter was very innovative while still maintaining the industry standard appearance. You had me at HELLO.
Because I live in a small town, I wasn't able to test them out until recently. Wow, it looked even better than the pictures and videos. Even with all the finger prints and smudges that is very popular with demo units. I tapped play and the direct drive small engine started up. I was right at home. You vinyl junkies know what I'm talking about. I was in heaven for about 1 minute. Holy shit, they finally figured it out. It was no mimic, the feel was dead on. Well, it was almost too good. Most of my records are flawed and don't produce that floatation feel (not even with new vinyl and butter rugs). Although, I've noticed some of you complaining about the drag because of this.
The only complaint I had about the feel was the buttons. I thought the play and cue buttons felt cheap. Just use the same parts and mechanism as your turntable. I got used to the hot cue buttons but where is the pitch bend? After all, I can't use the middle of the vinyl to manually adjust the pitch anymore.
So the feel was their, but what about the sound? Well, that was another story. What was Panasonic thinking? I know this thing was delayed but damn, they should not have released a product in BETA form. I think companies can learn a lot from the game industry. Just delay the thing until it's done. You'll thank me in the long run. Anyways, to sum it up "Digital Digital Get Down - NSYNC" (Yes, pitch lock was off)
Seriously, this isn't even in reviewable form. After all the hype and my own personal assumptions, I STAND CORRECTED. Saying that I was disappointed is an understatement.
So I heard my friends at AGIPRODJ.com have a new website dedicated to a community for SLDZ1200 users. I searched and read post after post to find out about an update to this catastrophe. The only thing I could find is "The software inside is designed to be updated if necessary. - M.J.T. Ibes" Well, don't leave us in the dark. When? What? Where? How?
What's the URL to the forum dedicated to the DZ1200? I still don't know what you guys are talking about in regards to delay. Do you mean when the pitch lock is on?
Dollar Bin -
www.sldz1200.netAll - I don't know if this is been posted here before or not, but it's worth a look. Another Technics SLDZ1200 video. In this one it gets beat juggled with a SL1200.
http://www.idp.nl/online/video/Rockid%2012mb.mov
Where did technics find the guy in this video above? His scratches were wack... jugglin was alright tho, i guess. Come on technics!
The guy in the video is Rockid - Dutch DMC champion for the last few years. He's a quality turntablist - perhaps he was hampered by the gear.

TriZkuT...Trisquit...Bisquick...whatever...
That's DJ Rockid. 1998 - International Break Dance Event / Fat Beats Battle Champion and Dutch DMC champion, 1999 - Dutch DMC Runner Up and Dutch ITF Runner Up, 2000 - Dutch DMC champion + 9th at the DMC world championships, 2001 - Runner Up Turntablist Dutch DMC champion, 2002 - Dutch DMC champion/Turntablist champion. That would be where Technics found "that" guy.
Well if even ROCKID can't make some clean cuts on a DZ, I sure as hell aint gonna buy one! I tried one at guitar center the other day and wasn't too impressed. All show and no go.
BTW I picked up a CDX the other day to mess around with. Totally changed my mind about which CD player to get. Gonna go with the CDX instead of the CDJ.

Can't beat the price either... The CDX totally blows the DZ out of the water in both price and functionality. Hands down
yo TriZkuT im glad that u agree with me now...just to let u know that the cdx has the same thing goin on as the DZ when the pitch lock is on.. it doesnt scratch properly but the thing is tho u can have the pitch lock on, change the speed and then turn it off, now the song will stay in the same key and it can be scratched.
Did they come out with an update for the cdx to fix that pitch lock sound?
They've come with like i think 4 updates so far, I have the newest version but the pitch lock problem is sitll there, a lot of the updates were dealing with mp3 and audio playback but im sure the updates for other stuff will be coming out pretty soon. but as i said before, its not really a big deal since you can change the tempo without messing up the pitch and once u have the right tempo just switch it off with the simple tap and then you're all good to go. so im kind of used to it now its not that big of a deal for me. DJ A-L, I seen some of the videos u made, you love the denon x1500 eh
Yes i do I love all my stuff i have the rane is very hot also

For Life Baby!!
meh why is everyone givin crap to the guy in that vid, i thought he wasnt bad (still better than me). ok not dmc good perhaps but still

Because It's seems cool to hate on the DZ.
Technics are in an impossible situation. They arguably started and have continued to rule the scene with the SL1200. They had to bring out a CD player at some point but had an impossible rep to live up to - and came into the CD game too late.
I'm still reserving judgment on the DZ. I can only make certain comments such as the feel of the platter as I've only played with one for a combined total of no more than 30 minutes. Only once I've had a real in-depth look at one will I make any sweeping statements.
Firstly I had a browse on the denon 1000 article, I didnt like it at all, you had to be more than heavy handed to get a reliable response from that unit, if its gonna be a stationary platter then it should have that touch sensitive response to it like the ps2 and cdi500, I still think non moving platters are yesterdays news, dunno why pioneer still charges what they do for their pieces.
I was just in the market to buy a digi deck and had a rinse on the cdx next to a dz1200 and one feels like the real thing, and the other feels bad. Im the first one to tell you that technics turntable is way better than the ttx which like every other turntable issued by supermarket brands like adj and stanton are just trying to use extra and unnessarry functions like faulty bpm counters, 78rpms, and a shitty switchable tone arm assembly to blind ppl to the fact that their offering is not proven to be as reliable, will not have any decent resale, will be outdated the following year when new shit is dropped, etc etc. anyways the cdx felt real and didnt sound as digital as the technics dz1200 which I thought sounded and felt like something other than the turntable it attempted to emulate. I think technics rushed this unit and the fact they labeled it a 1200 really tarnishes the image of their rocksolid 1200, the denon decks came out before the techs were dropped, dunno why they still released it considering the denons are a lot better IMO.
I ended up buying the denon 5000 seing how i can use the alpha mode and mix house sets like a dual rack. Id like a bigger platter, and 45 rpms feels different but after you get used to it, its a dope piece. I got it pricematched for 599 no tax. Id get the cdx but Im gonna wait till pioneer and denon do something like it.
ps. did anyone confirm whether those blueprints for the denon 8000 were for real?
GG
Green - no, they were fakes.
IMHO the DZ is nothing more than a desparate grasp at the honey-pot that is the digital era. Technics needed to step into the CDJ ring and they very obviously didn't get it right the first try. I hope they make improvements on their next (if any) attempt - competition and design improvements fuel better products and higher quality for all DJs.
gizmo, i think the way your hand control is on the record makes its harder to notice the lag on the DZ platter. you kinda do a side to side motion on the record and it seems like your pushing the record a little when you let go. ppl who scratch back and forth w/ and let go of the record to relase would have an easier time noticing any platter lag. i messed w/ the DZ at my local guitar center and didn't have to try it for more than a minute to notice the platter lag.
i use 1200s at home so its not like im used to the stronger torque of a ttx or pdx either. i honestly wouldn't even bother reviewing the unit.
technics made a solid ttable w/ the 1200 but have yet to make any improvements to it for scratch use. technics are no longer the deck of choice if you're now just coming into the scratch game. technics better do something b4 they lose their market share w/ the scratch djs..
wunsoong - it's not my hand. But I know what you mean. My biggest issue with the DZ is that platter and how it feels. In trying to emulate the 1200, they've made an other wise lightweight platter heavy and unresponsive. The whole thing feels soft and bouncy plus the plastic disk feels like it's going to come off at any time. And the small usable surface area of the 10" platter is disappointing as well. I can't comment on the rest of the deck as we're
STILL waiting for a demo unit from Technics.
On a related issue -
www.djbattle.net has a review of the DZ (how come everyone else can get one except

? They give it 6/10. I'll see if someone can translate it for us.
It seems like there are many people who say this is an ideal cd player for mixing but I am just curious why this is being stated because the sldz does not seem like it would be easy to increase the pitch. For instance, you can slow down the platter using the platter but how do you increase the pitch for pitch bending? Ride the pitch? This may be one outlet but the pitch system is not analog as a traditional turntable. Therefore, it feels way diff.
When I used the 2 units, I was mainly assessing them from a scratch dj's perspective, so i didnt check the pitch incriments or the sampler or number of seamless loops the dz and cdx offered. That said the denon to me seems like the perfect mix dj's cd unit, the platter moves enabling the traditionalist to push ish into the mix and cue point realisim, 2 decent 15sec samplers, 4 lovely seamless loops coupled with 0.02% increments within a 4% range. That enables some real precise mixing as long as you dont cross genres and keep to same style. My bad if the new units have or exceed these specs.
GG
what i love about the cdx, is that i can get the HIGH quality sound out of my shure white labels, scratch like crazy with that high quality sound (after i recorded it and burned it to cd) and it doesnt ware down the records, so theres not any fuzz comin or crackle or anything to let u know i changed records, its so much more seemless to me when im juggling that sometimes i gotta cut it up a little just so it sounds like im doing something, i love the white labels sound so much, but everytime i try to scratch it skips (well when i go crazy on them) also when i go break records shopping (ya i buy break records) i only gotta buy one copy, on the money to be saved, maybe i should start sellin my doubles i have hmmmmmmmmmm
I just wanna say The SLDZ1200 I have had for a while now and it seems ok at first but, the feel of the classic technics wheel makes beat matching for mixing real easy. Along with the reset button also featured on the 1210 and so on...it has the feel I like. I also think when people first scratch on it the look at the lines backwords if anyone one owns it might understand what i mean...its when you see the lines on the face as you do on the CDj1000...when the its inside out the wheel is the sliver platter and the platter is the blue LED...coppy that fella's? --->U dont scratch with fingers on the black line in another words...commonly done.---and as far as scraching the CDX rocks more then all. If you guys want static and other features then its not for you...but those House dj's that like some cuts;samples;and some quality EFX go with the CDX..PS the SLDZ sample buttons feel cheep!
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What is difference between SLDZ1200 and the Allah of digital turntables, the CDJ1000? Which one can I get downright Jihad with and make the ladies disrobe? The 1200 is very shiny. I like shiny, but I no like platter coming off.
God is great. God is great. God is great.
Hey ppl. well i was plannin to go in for the Techincs sl dz 1200, so i need ur opions on it. wherether crap or good? i already have a cdj1000 mk2. i got da Turbosound speakers n EVWS Subs. so plz do me tell me whether is it worth buying da sl dz1200. and where the hell do i get DJ videos?.text ^_^
Technics still haven't sent us a demo unit so I guess we'll never know. In our short time with units at trade shows, our opinion is that it's not as good as the hype. The sound is pretty poor and the platter control leaves a lot to be desired. Feels like vinyl with a thick spongy slipmat and a 1" hole in the middle.
Coming from a original Turtable dude, the sldz is the closest to spinning vinyl in my opinion ALOT of people have never played on 1200 or 1210 so compare the dz to Numark and Denon.. No comparison, the feel is like none other, only complaint is loading time of mp3 cd's over 100 tracks,and also hot cueing, ie spinback and que,the effects arent that great other vinyl simulation, the pitch lock
www.jugglingsensations.com
You really think that? On the few occasions I've used the DZ, I've hated it because it feels really wobbly and nothing like any vinyl deck I've ever tried.
DOWNLOAD THE NEW FIRMWARE 2.3 TO FIX ALL THESE ISSUES WITH THE DZ'S. THEY ARE BANGING! WITH THE UPDATE THEY ARE ALMOST PERFECT WITH NO DELAYS OR SKIPS IN SOUND QUALITY OR THE ACTION. STILL CAN'T SCRATCH IN PITCH LOCK THOUGH, BUT I DON'T DO IT ANYWAY. PERFECT SIZE AND USEABLILITY FOR ME!
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